If it is 12.99 buy it now NWT, it is almost certainly fake. No one could make any money selling YSL for that.

Oh and black dress shirts are only appropriate if you are an extra on the Sopranos.

 

While I can't speak specifically to the quality of YSL, you'll find that there is a general consensus on this forum that fashion designer shirts are unlikely to be of any quality comparable to shirts made by shirtmakers. You mentioned Borrelli and Kiton, which are in a totally different league than YSL. If you read through old posts you'll learn a lot about what makes a good shirt and who makes them.

I agree with wj94, a black shirt is really not appropriate for 'dress'. If you are going for a more casual look, then have at it. When I was younger (at 25 I don't want to imply I'm 'old'), I used to have a very fitted Gucci black shirt that I wore with jeans all the time. Now I cringe at the thought of it. The notion of a 'black dress shirt' is a contradiction in and of itself.

In general, the more you develop your style and learn about men's clothing, the more you will find yourself straying from the color black altogether. At the of the day, regardless of norms, it's just not a very interesting or versatile color.

 

Actually, now that I think of it, that Gucci shirt I mentioned would have been similar in quality to one by YSL given the fact that they are peer brands within the same corporate structure. If I recall correctly, the shirt was all cotton, but the fabric was thick and positively vinyl-like in comparison to the fine shitting materials I have learned about and acquired since. It was all machine-made--something many will argue is not necessarily a bad thing--and had plastic buttons (bad) with no real lining in the collar to speak of (making it useless with a tie).

 

OMG!!! Why are we even debating this...it's thirteen-frickin-dollars!!! do you honestly think it's real??? and even if youre okay with that sort of thing...what kind of shirt do you expect to get for the cost of two cheeseburger value meals from jack-in-the-box??? If you just need it to wear once or twice and dont want to spend alot of money, just get it, wear it, knock around in it...and dont worry so much...

I'm telling ya...the way some people stress about such minutae (SP?) around this joint...next we'll have to hear about wheather or not its "trad" to pay for this eBay purchase by paypal or if it would be less offensive to the duke of Windsor or something to pay by money order...oh brother...

and for the record...I like black dress shirts...I have like 5 of them...and I dare anybody to look at my wardrobe and tell me I dont know anything about dressing...say it with me people...it all comes down to wearing what you like...

 

Oh great, just what we need -- a forum scold who starts his post the way my teen-age daughter starts her Instant Messages.

 

OMG!!! Why are we even debating this...it's thirteen-frickin-dollars!!! do you honestly think it's real??? and even if youre okay with that sort of thing...what kind of shirt do you expect to get for the cost of two cheeseburger value meals from jack-in-the-box??? If you just need it to wear once or twice and dont want to spend alot of money, just get it, wear it, knock around in it...and dont worry so much...

I'm telling ya...the way some people stress about such minutae (SP?) around this joint...next we'll have to hear about wheather or not its "trad" to pay for this eBay purchase by paypal or if it would be less offensive to the duke of Windsor or something to pay by money order...oh brother...

and for the record...I like black dress shirts...I have like 5 of them...and I dare anybody to look at my wardrobe and tell me I dont know anything about dressing...say it with me people...it all comes down to wearing what you like...

Did someone forget their Ritalin?

 

this won't be of help, but I recently purchased a YSL t-shirt at the boutique in Hawaii and was very impressed with the quality. It was also $280... for a t-shirt, but I love it! It has a very simple patterned design to it and a metallic gold YSL insignia where one would typically find the polo horse. Never thought I would ever pay so much for a designer t-shirt, but I fell in love when I put it on.

...in other irrational spending includes purchasing two pairs of Grenson from Bennies yesterday for $400. Was I looking for shoes? No. But, hey, how can one pass up an opportunity to buy a $700 pair of shoes for $200!!!

 

Gabba Ghoul, the OP did not ask if the shirt was worth 12.99. He asked about its quality and how it compares to other brands mentioned on this forum. Simply telling him that he shouldn't sweat it because it's cheap doesn't come anywhere near answering his questions. He is a new member and has stated specifically that he wishes to learn about what makes the 12.99 YSL shirt different from a Borrelli.

Furthermore, it may be that you have many black shirts and it may be that the OP will quite validly choose to purchase black shirts for himself, but it can't hurt to know that black is emphatically not appropriate for a 'dress' shirt.

 

I'm going on a cruise, not a formal dinner with the royal family. My girlfriend asked me to get a black shirt since she likes the whole black shirt/silver tie thing, so I did. The shirt appears to be from a seller unfamiliar with clothing....I see many times sellers that end up with items outside their "territory" that they don't know what they are worth and simply take a guess. I would sincerely doubt it is a fake since I'd bet 99.9% of the Chinese bootleg market has never heard of the brand, let alone it being popular enough to make good money off of.

Anyway, I'm a college student....I don't make $100k+/year (yet, anyway) so I don't have $500+ to drop on a custom made shirt. But if I can, I try to find good deals on ebay here and there working with limited budget. Here are pictures of the shirt:

 

Well now, you didn't mention that a girl was involved!

You don't have to spend $500 to get a good shirt. $500 really buys you some of the best of the best: Charvet, Battistoni, almost enough for Kabbaz.

For less than $100 there are a lot of options. Actually, for below $50($40?) you can get a custom Jantzen shirt which will be better constructed than a lot of shirts sold by designers and will also offer you a enormous range of options for fabrics, fit, details, etc.

 

I'm going on a cruise, not a formal dinner with the royal family. My girlfriend asked me to get a black shirt since she likes the whole black shirt/silver tie thing, so I did. The shirt appears to be from a seller unfamiliar with clothing....I see many times sellers that end up with items outside their "territory" that they don't know what they are worth and simply take a guess. I would sincerely doubt it is a fake since I'd bet 99.9% of the Chinese bootleg market has never heard of the brand, let alone it being popular enough to make good money off of.

Anyway, I'm a college student....I don't make $100k+/year (yet, anyway) so I don't have $500+ to drop on a custom made shirt. But if I can, I try to find good deals on ebay here and there working with limited budget. Here are pictures of the shirt:

It is possible that this is a shirt is in the hands of a seller who just doesn't know. I can't tell from the pictures.

But you are wrong about the counterfeit market, YSL is a fairly common fake. Chinese counterfeiting is nearly comprehensive in the luxury brand name market and YSL is a well known luxury brand.

I doubt you could find a brand under the Gucci (YSL's parent) or LVMH umbrella that is not consistently faked.

 

If the shirt was coming from a foreign country or another seller with a bunch of "stock" photos I would tend to think it's a fake, but the seller seems to be some sort of "drop-it-off-and-we'll-sell-it" ebay store as there is no particularly consistent group of items for sale. I guess I'll find out when I receive it, but let's assume it is indeed real....how does it compare to other brands in quality?

 

Well now, you didn't mention that a girl was involved!

You don't have to spend $500 to get a good shirt. $500 really buys you some of the best of the best: Charvet, Battistoni, almost enough for Kabbaz.

For less than $100 there are a lot of options. Actually, for below $50($40?) you can get a custom Jantzen shirt which will be better constructed than a lot of shirts sold by designers and will also offer you a enormous range of options for fabrics, fit, details, etc.

i understand there is a long wait to get a shirt made by jantzen due to the popularity. top shirts though. a bewildering choice of cloths and styles.

 

If the shirt was coming from a foreign country or another seller with a bunch of "stock" photos I would tend to think it's a fake, but the seller seems to be some sort of "drop-it-off-and-we'll-sell-it" ebay store as there is no particularly consistent group of items for sale. I guess I'll find out when I receive it, but let's assume it is indeed real....how does it compare to other brands in quality?

YSL is your typical designer shirt. Better that your average department store brand in fabric. Adequate but not great construction. Probably made in a third world country (almost all of the Gucci brands are). All around way overpriced at retail (think $300 for an $75 shirt) but for $13 a really good deal.

 

the shirt was all cotton, but the fabric was thick and positively vinyl-like in comparison to the fine shitting materials I have learned about and acquired since.

Moving up in the world in all areas, eh?

 

Moving up in the world in all areas, eh?

Well, taste and finances change, hopefully for the better!

I started reading this forum when I was a college senior (2004). My sense of style is radically different now than it was then. A lot of the change has stemmed from simply picking up information. There's a wealth of knowledge amongst the members of this forum about history, tradition, quality, 'rules', etc. There's also a lot of good taste. I don't think personal style is composed of those things alone, but they don't hurt!

 

I don't think that shirt is authentic, but regardless, black shirt/silver tie doesn't look very smart.

I bought a YSL shirt from Century 21 for $18. Its actually a decent shirt, with a nice small french collar, soft fabric, and YSL monogramming.

Find something else.

 

I don't think that shirt is authentic, but regardless, black shirt/silver tie doesn't look very smart.

Perhaps not, but for all my girlfriend does for me, I think I can do her the favor. Besides, I like the look too so I don't mind looking dumb once in a while.

Thanks for the input for those who could make the comparison for me. I'll have to look into those Jantzen shirts if they're as good as everyone says.

 

Well, taste and finances change, hopefully for the better!

I started reading this forum when I was a college senior (2004). My sense of style is radically different now than it was then. A lot of the change has stemmed from simply picking up information. There's a wealth of knowledge amongst the members of this forum about history, tradition, quality, 'rules', etc. There's also a lot of good taste. I don't think personal style is composed of those things alone, but they don't hurt!

Please read my post again, I was qouting that specific paragraph of yours. I found your typo towards the end of the qoute to be amusing, but perhaps I am immature. In every case, I feel the same way about this forum, and have been reading, and reading, and reading again when I have spare time.

 

Ha, wow, now THAT is embarassing . . .

 

You guys are mistaking the haute couture YSL with the one Yves Saint Laurent shirt listed.

The Gucci-equivalent YSL you all are referring to, and has ads splashed all over men's magazines, is the Rive Gauche line, which used to be designed by Tom Ford when he was also doing Gucci.

The YSL shirt listed is likely a cheaply made shirt which is very prevalent in, say, Chinatown in NYC.

YSL, like Pierre Cardin, and is a widely licensed name. All of them cheap merchandise.

YSL Rive Gauche is a high-end label like Gucci.

 

Low-end YSL

This shirt appears to be the real mccoy. looks like the mass-produced stuff made under license and found at macy's & the like. for that price you probably didnt get ripped off but the quality is on par with other brands found at those stores, i.e. ck, dkny, et al.

the shirts that sell for $300+ at the ysl boutiques have the additional text "rive guache" on the label and are cut with a sexy line

 

Here is a high-end YSL Rive Gauche shirt in your size on eBay in black:




Of course, it's an absolutely horrid shirt:

- Mandarin collar
- Double pockets
- "Shiny" trim
- Transparent back and sleeves
- Way overpriced

So, just throwing it out there..

 

Yeah, that is real ugly. Even if it's just an ok shirt, I can't really complain for $13. Now if I had spent $50+....I wouldn't be too happy. I guess it'll do for the cruise and I can do away with it after that.

 

You guys are mistaking the haute couture YSL with the one Yves Saint Laurent shirt listed.

The only YSL brand that is left is YSL Rive Gauche which is, as you stated, an in-house high-end RTW affair (similar to Gucci RTW). Nothing to do with Haute Couture, the Haute Couture YSL house closed down when the guy retired a couple years ago (he had had nothing to do with the RTW, designed by Tom Ford at the time, for a few years prior).

In the 1990's you could find many licensed YSL products. Quality varied greatly. The licensee they had in France, for example, produced a fairly good middle-of-the-line good. I still have some shirts from them. Gucci's policy for a few years has been to shut down those licensed operations.

All I can say is that the black shirt in question is not from the French licensee ("YSL pour l'homme") and obviously not from the in-house brand ("YSL Rive Gauche"). Impossible to say anything about its quality without knowing which license produced this.