Well, it is possible, ain't it? I can kind of see how a people, long oppressed by forced bondage, might lash out at the leader who promises to force them to slave away to pay even higher taxes.

I'm pretty sure that Minister Farrakhan has said something about this.

 

I don't closely follow American politics but I think I am aware of the major players.
I would like to see Obama get elected but I do think there could be a real risk of something bad happening.
I mean were he to become President, it would be such a first,such a change, such an upheaval of what I imagine mainstream America has come to expect their Presidents to be that somewhere there just might be someone or some group so upset about the whole thing that they would go so far as to do something bad.

Mychael

 

On another note, there is a daily drum beat from those wanting Obama to put Hillary on the ticket with him, to solidify the party base. There would be some obvious advantages to the party, in such a move, and some disadvantages.

You hate to think about stuff like this, but a main stream journalist compiled a list of people that were associated with the Clintons since their Arkansas days, that have died from other than natural causes.

Most of us don't know even one person that has died from other than natural causes.

in their case, according to the press reports, there have been something like 18 people, that were associated with the Clintons that have died from other than natural causes.

A lot of single car, unexplained car crashes, plus a large number of state troopers that were affiliated with them in Arkansas, that were young and in relatively good health, that committed suicide. Vince Foster, who had total access to HRC records, etc. Could just be a coincidence.

Still, it might be more reasonable for a President Obama to worry a bit more about the threat from a Vice President Clinton, than from some KKK nut.

 

Much as I joke about VP Clinton necessitating a food taster at the White House, this whole issue is, IMO, complete horseshit.

She looks for examples of campaigns that ran late, she remembers her husband's (naturally), and in jogging the memory of how long 1968's ran finds the handle of RFK's assassination, when he was famously celebrating the California primary and saying "on to Chicago and let's win there."

Obama's people can be pissed if they like, but I really can't see more to it than that. Anyone on the inside who disagrees is probably in need of a vacation.

 

I really find all this very amusing. The Democrats really are an immature and paranoid bunch.

 

I don't support Hillary, but that is not what she said. She was asked about staying in the campaign and she was talking about June. The media has invented this lie that no one ever campaigns until June. That it is always over earlier and that she is doing something unusual.

First, said that in 1992 Bill was still campaigning in June because he had not wrapped up the nomination. Then, she said and we all remember Bobby Kennedy was killed IN JUNE. The point being that boomers all remember Bobby was killed in June and they all remember he was campaigning. It's a historical reference that debunks the media's position. It had nothing to do with staying in hanging around in case something happens as the media is also portraying the comment. Here is exactly what she said:

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it."

She has said much the same thing before. In a March interview with Time magazine, she said:

"Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual."

All this demonstrates is what a bunch of scum the mainstream media are and how Liberals turn their head the other way when it suits them. Conservatives have been dealing with this nonsense for years - remember the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? It's hilariously funny if you have any perspective at all to watch Liberals eat one of their own.

On June 4, 1968, Kennedy scored a major victory when he won the California primary. He addressed his supporters in the early morning hours of June 5, 1968 in a ballroom at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. He left the ballroom through a service area to greet supporters working in the hotel's kitchen. In a crowded kitchen passageway, Sirhan Sirhan, a 24-year-old Palestinian, opened fire with a .22 caliber revolver and shot Kennedy in the head at close range. Following the shooting, Kennedy was rushed to The Good Samaritan Hospital where he died the next day.

 

Much as I joke about VP Clinton necessitating a food taster at the White House, this whole issue is, IMO, complete horseshit.

She looks for examples of campaigns that ran late, she remembers her husband's (naturally), and in jogging the memory of how long 1968's ran finds the handle of RFK's assassination, when he was famously celebrating the California primary and saying "on to Chicago and let's win there."

Obama's people can be pissed if they like, but I really can't see more to it than that. Anyone on the inside who disagrees is probably in need of a vacation.

I really find all this very amusing. The Democrats really are an immature and paranoid bunch.

+1 and +1. Some of the headlines these "journalists" are writing paraphrasing her in single quotes as saying 'Well, Obama could get assassinated' should see people fired and stripped of whatever journalism credentials they have. Here's an example: https://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/tobyharnden/may08/hillarykennedyblunder.htm Technically, it's a blog, but it is hosted on the Tele's official website. Harnden is also an editor, a foreign correspondent, and a former Washington DC bureau chief. These type of people hide behind the term "blog" as a license to abandon all journalistic ethics. If he's not a US Citizen, we should revoke his visa too.

 

Agree completely that this is (or should be) a complete non-issue.

Seems some candidates/campaigns try so very hard to be offended at every turn.

 

"Do you think that this will just go away, like her account of the small arms fire that she ducked in Bosnia?"

She did not realize it at the time but that was her concession speech. A falsehood like that can't just slide by. Once the initial doubt set in it opened the door to alternatives.

As for assassins I suspect she would draw more fire than Obama. People have lots of reasons to hate her but only one reason to hate Obama.

 

Only one reason to hate Obama my ass.

 

I caught my man Ralph speeking in front of the White House a few days ago. It's a pity Okra Winfrey, Ellen Degenerate and our other social leaders continue to silence him on our public property. Ralph once again refreshed my memory of what the Democrats are, and what they are not. If Bush is so horribly incompetant, violating the constitution and commiting multiple impeachable offences ( all accusations I agree with) the Democrats should be winning elections by landslides. That they are not, is only because THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE in this duopracy of revolving door politicians and military men turned corporate shills. I'm so mad I'd like to take a pot shot at one of these fools just to get their attention. The only problem is I can't afford to drive anywhere @ $4 a gallon, cartridges are similarly prohibitive in cost and I know it's like killing cockroaches anyway. I should take something for my nerves and lie down, but I have no healthcare, the scotch ran out until my next paycheck and I have to leave soon for one of 3 part time jobs that are all pushing me to take night classes in spanish.

 

Only one reason to hate Obama my ass.

He's a wealthy, liberal, elitist, Harvard lawyer, and politician; that insulted gun owners, people of faith, and "typical white people"; with a preacher and a Wife that hate America; that wants to coddle our enemies, institute a centralized socialist economy, and surrender in Iraq.

That's only one reason isn't it; or maybe Country Irish was referencing that his middle name Hussein? :devil:

 

He's a wealthy, liberal, elitist, Harvard lawyer, and politician; that insulted gun owners, people of faith, and "typical white people"; with a preacher and a Wife that hate America; that wants to coddle our enemies, institute a centralized socialist economy, and surrender in Iraq.
....

Had you included lesbianism this polemic you could have trumped the Rev. Mr. Pat Robertson. :icon_smile:

Cordially,
Adrian Quay

 

But then it would have been inaccurate.

 

Since this is a fun forum I don' t think a debate is in order but I am hoping you could educate me concerning a couple of statements.

"It's a pity Okra Winfrey, Ellen Degenerate and our other social leaders continue to silence him on our public property."
I am not aware that Winfrey had ever tried to silence Nader anywhere much less on public property. I doubt if she is associated with the Green party but I am sure I saw her promoting "green" ideals. When and how did she cause any problems for Nader?

Re Obama:
"He's a wealthy, liberal, elitist..."
I won't ask for a full explanation of the definitions for all of the description you give but I am most curious about how you define him as elitist. In what situations has he shown himself to be elitist?

Take these as an honest quest for info. This is not the forum I would use for serious debate. I do like to know the reasoning behind such positions though.

 

........The........really are an immature and paranoid bunch.

Humm????
I think you may be mistaken,
You must have been watching CPAC not C-SPAN??
I was thinking we should rename CPAC to P(political)-spam.

 

Hmm.. did I write that? No, couldn't be-- maybe I meant to write something else, but Bush stole the real post, or maybe Diebold changed it.

 

Re Obama:
"He's a wealthy, liberal, elitist..."
I won't ask for a full explanation of the definitions for all of the description you give but I am most curious about how you define him as elitist. In what situations has he shown himself to be elitist?

Take these as an honest quest for info. This is not the forum I would use for serious debate. I do like to know the reasoning behind such positions though.

His SF comments are playbook liberal elitists' bigotry. He clearly has disdain for the working class American family and the things most of us believe in - God, RKBA, the rule of law, national sovereignty. Obama has his head in the clouds. Another example would be when Michelle Obama was telling women not to get jobs in corporate America because they wouldn't be happy. This is typical of the same mindset that caused Hillary to say that some decisions are so important they can't be left to ordinary people to make. Liberalism is rooted in believing you are one of the few lucky ones that need to help all the poor stupid schmucks that can't live without you taking care of them. It's a delusion of elitism and social engineering. It's what gives us political leaders like Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, and Barack Obama - people who have never done anything telling those of us that make the country prosperous and create the jobs, etc. how things should work. It's nothing except a huge glass house of incompetence and entitlement. In Hollywood, liberal elitism is demonstrated when people like George Clooney, Ellen Degeneres, and Sean Penn start preaching to us and attempting to marginalize and ridiculue those holding traditional American values as out-of-step, or worse bigots, racists, and hicks. Obama is right out of the same mold. It's not leadership; it is pandering, demagoguery, and nagging. I wouldn't ask Obama for directions, yet somehow he's convinced himself he's done something worthy of leading the country or is just plain entitled.

 

Had you included lesbianism this polemic you could have trumped the Rev. Mr. Pat Robertson. :icon_smile:

Cordially,
Adrian Quay

Thank you, I take that as an admission that you cannot refute any of those points.

Sometimes the truth doesn't set everyone free.

 

His SF comments are playbook liberal elitists' bigotry. He clearly has disdain for the working class American family and the things most of us believe in - God, RKBA, the rule of law, national sovereignty. Obama has his head in the clouds. Another example would be when Michelle Obama was telling women not to get jobs in corporate America because they wouldn't be happy. This is typical of the same mindset that caused Hillary to say that some decisions are so important they can't be left to ordinary people to make. Liberalism is rooted in believing you are one of the few lucky ones that needs to help all the poor stupid schmucks that can't live without you taking care of them. It's a delusion of elitism and social engineering. It's what gives us political leaders like Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, and Barack Obama - people who have never done anything telling those of us that make the country prosperous and create the jobs, etc. how things should work. It's nothing except a huge glass house of incompetence and entitlement. In Hollywood, liberal elitism is demonstrated when people like George Clooney, Ellen Degeneres, and Sean Penn start preaching to us and attempting to marginalize and ridiculue those holding traditional American values as out-of-step, or worse bigots, racists, and hicks. Obama is right out of the same mold. It's not leadership is pandering, demagoguery, and nagging. I wouldn't ask Obama for directions, yet somehow he's convinced himself he's done something worthy of leading the country or is just plain entitled.

Obviously, anyone running for president in the U.S. today is by definition elite. Money, education, connections: They got it.

 

Obviously, anyone running for president in the U.S. today is by definition elite. Money, education, connections: They got it.

Elite? Yes, but elitist is a mindset. They are two different things. We all have sex and race, but we are not all sexists and racists. His statements in SF were meant to ridicule and marginalize an entire cross-section of America. It was just meant to be done where only others like him could hear it. That's not leadership; that's mockery.

 

Most of us don't know even one person that has died from other than natural causes.

I can name 6. 1 suicide by a friend in HS, 2 friends killed in a car accident (rainy, slick roads and a blind corner), 1 former co-worker killed in the parking lot of his apartment (mistaken identity...they shot him in the back of the head...apparently he drove a similar car to the guy they were looking for...he died while getting groceries out of his car), 1 firefighter killed in an arson fire (the floor gave way and he fell into the basement) and another friend killed by a drunk driver while riding his bike down a country road one afternoon...he was 17.

 

I can name 6. 1 suicide by a friend in HS, 2 friends killed in a car accident (rainy, slick roads and a blind corner), 1 former co-worker killed in the parking lot of his apartment (mistaken identity...they shot him in the back of the head...apparently he drove a similar car to the guy they were looking for...he died while getting groceries out of his car), 1 firefighter killed in an arson fire (the floor gave way and he fell into the basement) and another friend killed by a drunk driver while riding his bike down a country road one afternoon...he was 17.

Wow, that one slipped right over my head.

I have an Uncle in Arlington. My best friend in highschool was killed in a head-on collision by a drunk driver after being accepted to the Air Force Academy. When I was in junior high the lady who had a house next to our bus stop was stabbed to death like 27 times by a construction worker from across the street. We had a murder-suicide down the street about a week ago. I've led a fairly fortunate life in that regard and I'm sure I could think of some others if I had to.

I'd say the opposite is true. I don't doubt that most people know at least one person that has died in a car accident. If you expand that to wars, murder, and suicide I think it would be 80-90%. I'd think anyone >= 60 years old is 99% considering Vietnam and most of the kids today know someone who was in a gang or drug related incident. There's probably a pretty narrow demographic of Generation Xers that meet the criteria presented.

 

I disagree with the elitist charges because I do the same sort of community work that the Senator did in Chicago here in DC. One cannot be successful with this sort of work if he cannot relate to people throughout the economic spectrum, as I know first-hand.

I think that it was a stupid statement and certainly badly phrased, but I think that the meaning of the statement was slightly different.

I think that the meant to say that people make religious and gun issues their voting priorities over things like economics since they think that the government is too ineffective to fulfill any other promises.

Now, this does not mean I agree. My positions are different from Obama's in many areas, but I'm supporting him in this election cycle largely as a lesser evils sort of thing. When it comes to the issue that is most important for me (economics, since everything, in the end, is economics), none of the candidates are strong in the slightest bit. With Obama, there is a slight hope that some UChicago economists will be advisors as he's an ex-professor there.

Personally, I believe in a Chicago synthesis with the Keynesian macroeconomic analysis. It is the most effective course of action for the country to take, as evidenced by the JFK years, but politicians and their stupid populist pandering have gone anti-reason in their economic assessments. Comparative advantage no longer applies? Give me a break!

 

I disagree with the elitist charges because I do the same sort of community work that the Senator did in Chicago here in DC. One cannot be successful with this sort of work if he cannot relate to people throughout the economic spectrum, as I know first-hand.

FWIW, from all reports Obama was not successful. That's how he ended up at Wright's church because he himself couldn't connect with any of the local community.