[tocqueville]

It looks like its New Old Stock, not really positive though.

I just got some Unbranded 321 that I like. The rise is probably too low for most AAAC members, but it's a good slim straight, without being too tight or any extreme taper.

Sticking with more mainstream brands, Gap "standard" and "straight" fits are good spots between modern and classic.

I've read good things about Gap jeans (which i last tried in the 80s, when gap basically just sold jeans and sweaters). But i'm one of those people who refuses to buy imported jeans. That's what put me off 501s in the first place.

Brooks 501s are US made, but unjustifiably expensive in light of Gustin and F&Ts offerings.

 

[alonzo]

I haven't shopped Levi's jeans in a while, not sure if it's my luck but every time I try to check out Levi's their quality is getting worse and is becoming very inconsistent.

I've checked Gustin but haven't really taken the effort to buy them since I'm still rocking the jeans which are relatively cheaper than Gustin.

I'm not a premium denim guy so I try to stick to under $60

 

[justonemore]

I've tried many brands of jeans, even some expensive brands. After decades of trying different jeans, Levi's 501s are still my favorites. The fit is excellent, and these days 501s come is so many nice colors.

Am I missing something about other jeans? https://www.post.ch/en/post-startseite/post-privatkunden/post-pk-kontakt/post-nachforschung-ausland.htm

501® Original Fit Jeans
https://us.levi.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3183662&locale=en_US&clickid=prod_cs

Why does one ever buy something different than an item that has worked in the past & is the standard? Why not have only charcoal trousers made by company X?

Perhaps some people buy various brands just to have some diversity in their choice of jeans? Levi's are a reliable standard product but not very adventurous.

I'm amazed that no one has mentioned proper fit. As with with any OTR item, it's never "one size fits all" and Levi's may not fit some people as comfortably as other brands.

Over here Levi's aren't $40-50. They cost as much as any other designer jean. As there is no large price/quality difference, there is little reason not to try other brands. Jeans are jeans and if Armani or Dolce & Gabbana fits well & has the same/higher quality then one takes the best available offering.

Image? Situation? Maybe you want something a little different than what everyone finds to be standard? True Religion jeans at a nightclub 1-2 times a year are great fun but are perhaps a little too much on the eye for frequent use?

 

[Elmer Zilch]

Has anyone tried the "American Original" raw denim jeans from Pointer Brand/L.C. King? Cone denim, made in the USA, $73 (minus 20% at the moment). If they're anything like Pointer Brand work coats, the cut might be a little generous, but I'm interested...

 

[fishNchips]

Has anyone tried the "American Original" raw denim jeans from Pointer Brand/L.C. King? Cone denim, made in the USA, $73 (minus 20% at the moment). If they're anything like Pointer Brand work coats, the cut might be a little generous, but I'm interested...

The cut doesn't look bad at all. 34" waist, 12" thigh, 8.5" leg opening, 12.5" rise.

I guess it depends where they take the thigh measurement, but I'd say that's a pretty good straight leg. Not slim, but not old gramps either.

 

[Elmer Zilch]

The cut doesn't look bad at all. 34" waist, 12" thigh, 8.5" leg opening, 12.5" rise.

I guess it depends where they take the thigh measurement, but I'd say that's a pretty good straight leg. Not slim, but not old gramps either.

Thanks. I noticed the fit description after I posted here. Unfortunately I also noticed the Pointer Brand tag on the back pocket. I hope it can be razored off, because a pair is headed my way.

 

[medhat]

I don't wear 501's anymore, STF or otherwise. 2 reasons mainly, first is I don't have the time (or the desire) to break in raw denim (STF), second is as my body has changed (different exercise/lifestyle/diet etc...) the 501 rise and leg are too high/big. So I fluctuate somewhere between 511/513/514s, which all serve their purposes. I along with many subscribe to a desire to go "American made" but Cone denim is typically more than I want to pay for jeans. Maybe it's just a perception, but nowadays I think regardless of country of manufacture, Levis has done a better job of sizing jeans consistently. So I basically pick up a pair here or there if I find a good sale. I'm sure my SO thinks it's crazy, but with only a few exceptions, all my jeans are in a dark/selvedge wash. Boring, but consistent.

 

[tocqueville]

Has anyone tried the "American Original" raw denim jeans from Pointer Brand/L.C. King? Cone denim, made in the USA, $73 (minus 20% at the moment). If they're anything like Pointer Brand work coats, the cut might be a little generous, but I'm interested...

I read an article recently about pointer. The owner, King, is trying to snazz it up a bit. I would expect those jeans to be a bit more "modern" than his older stuff.

 

[Tilton]

Anyone who owns some Pointers want to give a rundown on the American Originals fit? How should I order compared to my normal pant size or my measured size? I've recently had an interest in picking up a pair of jeans (haven't worn jeans in several years) and these look about what I'm looking for (slightly more work-wear that can double as weekend-wear than the other way around).

 

[MarkY]

LOL. I spent a lot of time worrying about how to wash/hem my Gustins and reading up on the topic.

I'm really pleased by the quality and the fabric. I'd like the fit to be just a tad more generous up top (the Gustin people insist that it's spot on for my measurements and I should be patient), and I'd also like the rise to be a little higher, but still, I recommend it highly.

Do you remember which Gustin's you ordered? I'm really thinking of getting the #82 AMERICAN SIXTEENER, but they aren't accepting backing on these at the moment.

 

[Tilton]

Do you remember which Gustin's you ordered? I'm really thinking of getting the #82 AMERICAN SIXTEENER, but they aren't accepting backing on these at the moment.

Once each product is funded, it is no longer available. However, the specific jeans you're looking for are up for funding again: https://www.weargustin.com/store/365

 

[jeffreyc]

Do they even make original shrink to fit 501's any more?

I prefer the STF 501 over other jeans I've tried over the years. I think the fit just suits me. I only get them now from the US, you cant get odd sizes or the range of colours in the UK (I want 33 waist, 36 leg).
Interestingly I bought 2 pairs of STF 501's last year both in the 'Postal rigid' colour, one came with the standard label on the back but one came with a black label, the jeans seem the same - anyone know what that means ??

 

[eagle2250]

Just last evening the UPS guy dropped two pair of the Flint&Tinder Selvedge Denims on our front porch. I purchased the classic fit, based on the sales associate's guidance that such provided for an additional 3/4th's of an inch in the rise of the jeans and would allow a proper fit at the natural waist. The denim is heavy, a 14 oz fabric according the the product cut sheet that came with the jeans. Premium selvedge 14oz White Cone denim, handcrafted in New York. The construction is robust, equal to that found in Levi 501 Originals and certainly as well or better made as/than a pair of BB 346 jeans I have in my closet. The new denims are pretty stiff, but should break in nicely with six months or so of use (according to Flint&Tinder's product literature). I am not one with any proper appreciation for fine denim, these are well made and promise to be hard wearing jeans and seem well worth the $77 price tag.

However I do harbor two reservations concerning the jeans that might result in their return. Raw denim is not color fast...handling of the jeans results in a rather distinctive blue tinting of one's hands and the product cut sheet cautions that the color may rub off on the user and his or her possessions for quite some time to come. Also, the classic fit is impressively generous through the butt and down the legs of the trousers...much greater than the Levi 501 fit and notably larger than the BB jeans as well. Please do not misunderstand me...I love Indigao...dark blue is a favorite color of mine, but I really don't want to tint everything in my life a shaded blue! Is there any way to set the color? :icon_scratch:

 

[Tilton]

Did you order the same size you would wear in, say BB? Or did they need to be ordered up or down?

 

[eagle2250]

^^
I ordered the Flint&Tinder denims in the same waist and inseam measurement(s) as the Levi 501's and BB bluejeans against which they were compared.

 

[momsdoc]

Also, the classic fit is impressively generous through the butt and down the legs of the trousers...much greater than the Levi 501 fit and notably larger than the BB jeans as well.

I urge caution. Nothing is more unflattering in jeans than diaper butt.

 

[MarkY]

I urge caution. Nothing is more unflattering in jeans than diaper butt.

That's a fact. I won't be ordering any Flint&Tinder due to their lack of sizes. Their smallest pair in raw are sized 30, but measure to a 32. That won't work for me, plus they're only offered in one length. I'm really tempted to try the Gustin, or spring for a pair of Bonobos.

 

[eagle2250]

I urge caution. Nothing is more unflattering in jeans than diaper butt.

LOL, Indeed! I do fear these will be going back to Flint&Tinder, though I do admire their effort to market made in USA goods. So much for my initial foray into upscale (Selvedge) denims.

 

[DRWWE]

I like Levis too but the 501s are a bit tight in the thighs for me. I like the fit of their 569s better, looser fit and more comfortable. No skinny jeans for me.

Another brand that is worth considering is Lucky--well made and comfortable for me. They frequently have sales and can be bought on their website.

 

[justonemore]

I like Levis too but the 501s are a bit tight in the thighs for me. I like the fit of their 569s better, looser fit and more comfortable. No skinny jeans for me.

Another brand that is worth considering is Lucky--well made and comfortable for me. They frequently have sales and can be bought on their website.

Again I'll mention that jeans are the same as any other piece of clothing. Different manufacturers will fit people in a different manner. I have a hard time with anyone here that says Levi's are the ideal denim choice for everyone (especially when they will state the opposite with any other clothing option be it trousers, suits or shoes).