O.K. Bush is not my chosen president, and I intensely oppose many of his policies. But The whole conspiracy culture is a disease of halftruths, distortions and collection of torn bits of hearsay to create a mosaic and not the true picture. So, for everyone and all; Bush didn't have previous knowledge, the Clintons, often onerous didn't murder anybody,Dianna wasn't snuffed by M.I. 5, there were no shooters on the grassy knoll, It really was a weather balloon at Roswell, F.D. R. had no prior knowledge of Pearl Harbour and there are no Lizard People, Protocols of Zion or unicorns fornicating on the dark side of the Moon- which we faked the landings at the studio now used by Ellen Degeneras. I'm going to place my newly lead lined brolly open over my futon now, just in case North Korea does manage to detonate a nuclear devise off Catalina Island using the U.S.S. Pueblo disquised as a Liberian flagged, swedish cruise liner full of retirees attending a make millions in real estate with no money down by some motivational speaker seminar.

 

O.K. Bush is not my chosen president, and I intensely oppose many of his policies. But The whole conspiracy culture is a disease of halftruths, distortions and collection of torn bits of hearsay to create a mosaic and not the true picture. So, for everyone and all; Bush didn't have previous knowledge, the Clintons, often onerous didn't murder anybody,Dianna wasn't snuffed by M.I. 5, there were no shooters on the grassy knoll, It really was a weather balloon at Roswell, F.D. R. had no prior knowledge of Pearl Harbour and there are no Lizard People, Protocols of Zion or unicorns fornicating on the dark side of the Moon- which we faked the landings at the studio now used by Ellen Degeneras. I'm going to place my newly lead lined brolly open over my futon now, just in case North Korea does manage to detonate a nuclear devise off Catalina Island using the U.S.S. Pueblo disquised as a Liberian flagged, swedish cruise liner full of retirees attending a make millions in real estate with no money down by some motivational speaker seminar.

But there are intelligent and qualified people who subscribe to other than the official version for one or some or all of these events. Did you watch the video in the clip? How do you explain the contents?

 

But there are intelligent and qualified people who subscribe to other than the official version for one or some or all of these events. Did you watch the video in the clip? How do you explain the contents?

You must be joking! He could have been explaining what he saw on TV, which was that a plane had crashed into one of the towers. Although the video of the actual crash was not at hand the aftermath was and the reports were that a plane had crashed into the tower. He may have jumbled up his words as he is prone to doing but lets please stop with the "Bush knew" theories because they are absurd. This is a government that cannot keep secret from the press national intelligence matters such as terrorist surveillance. Do you think something like this can be kept under such tight lock and key?

The problem with all this sort of non-sense is that right now this talk is taken only seriously by a few very confused fringe groups. In 1945 it would have been tougher to deny the holocaust because it was right there for everyone to see. However 60 years down the road there are many who deny it ever occurred and with the further passage of time this confusion will be taken more and more seriously.

 

unsure

I cannot watch the video now - will watch at home tonight (no sound card at work). I do recall this article in the Washington Post:
Say what you will about the WP being a radical left wing paper, it did get front page placement. Looking forward to watching tonight.

 

Oh, for the love of God, give it a rest.

You sound like George Soros.

 

So, three months after the fact the President says that he saw (on TV) the first plane hit the tower.

That indicates that he had some foreknowledge of the planned attack.

Good God, man, are you not the least bit embarrassed to make such a post?

 

I've got my tin foil (no aluminum foil here, that’s a whole different conspiracy) hat on so the Bush Mind Control satellites can't tell me what to believe!

 

I think this is just one of those trying too hard to tell a story moments. As it seems like just about every aspect of Bush's life is manipulated to connect more with voters...as is this.

-spence

 

Jeez Louise. I think he's been a lousy president, but he was obviously saying that he saw on TV that an airplane had hit the tower. He saw that the TV news people were covering it. Not that he actually saw the actual, literal impact itself.

That's how Southerners (esp. Texans) talk.

 

memory

is faulty and changeable. Recently I learned that recall of a memory actually changes it each time, this may account for why eye-witnesses are so problematic for attorneys and investigators.

In addition, we have an President, know for malapropisms, mispronunciations, and inaccuracies relating a story at a time of immense
stress and confusion.

I'm with Kav.

Michael

 

I'm no bush fan, but I also totally endorse Kav's post. These conspiracy theories are becoming too common and also more and more ridiculous.

I don't want to say much more. I love your posts about menswear and really do appreciate your contributions to that part of the forum.

 

As one of the strongest anti-Bush people on this board, I just don't think this video proves anything. There are two possible interpretations of what Bush says on the video:

1. He is speaking accurately when he says he saw the first airplane hit the WTC, which means that apparently the people who set up the attack were filming it and he got to see it, and then he forgot that it was this giant secret and he talked about it on camera; or

2. his recollection of events is fuzzy.

Given that he's demonstrated over the years that his grasp on reality is tenuous at best, I vote for number 2.

 

'Intelligent and qualified people' are infamous for embracing some rather stupid and unqualified ideas and opinions. Please, I could start the mother of all threads on this subject alone. Angela Davis once proclaimed her superior knowledge of Vietnam at a student seminar at UCSC. A few Vets in grad school proceeded to challenge her to list 5 Saigon bars, ocean currents off the coast and how fast a water buffalo can charge out of a rice paddy. It's the story of the 4 blind men examining an elephant and deciding what it was.

 

Bush knew even more!

Though I have long entertained so-called conspiracy theories regarding the American 9-11 attacks, I have stopped short (lacking the proof) of being in any way convinced that Bush himself may have known more about the attacks than the offical story would have us believe.

Until I saw this rare clip, in which Bush, in late 2001, during an informal talk accidentally lets the cat out of the bag:

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2lih2qjEg&NR"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2lih2qjEg&NR

I respect you and love your posts.

But the version I heard is that Bush had a lot of prior knowledge that he had gotten from Tony Blair. And the real key is that Blair had gotten his info from The Queen who got it from........!!!!

See how SILLY, rumors, 1/2 truths, and misinterpretations can be!

 

I'm more inclined to subscribe to this conspiracy theory:

 

I'm more inclined to subscribe to this conspiracy theory:

Yea, but as Cheney says...it hasn't completely been shot down either!

-spence

 

Save yourself the embarassment and delete this thread...

 

It depends on the meaning of "knew." The possibly apocryphal Book of Bush, of which only a single fragment of text has survived, relates just what a Bush of the ancient world "knew," and should have known:

1. . . . Verily, did Bush then goeth in unto his helpmeet, Laura, and he lieth there with her, and he knew her.
2. And, lo, Laura did conceive and begat she unto Bush two maidens, Jenna and Barbara, and fair and comely they were, and maketh not the people to groan.
3. And the people were pleased with this issue, and did rejoice, and bloweth they did upon the pipe and plucketh they did upon the string, and falleth they did upon one another, in merriment and wonder.
4. Went then the people unto Bush, and gathereth them about him, and beseecheth him they did, saying:
5. "Bush, goeth thou not unto war, but goeth in unto thy helpmeet, Laura, and lieth there with her, and know her, and maketh her to beget more maidens unto thee, fair and comely, and pass thou thy days in idleness and fornication, as did the one before you! Goeth thou not unto war in the Land of Ur and far Babylon!"
6. But Bush heard the people not, and he went not in unto his helpmeet, Laura, and he lay with her not, neither did he know her, and she begat not unto him more maidens, fair and comely. Heeding not the people, unto war Bush went, he and his chieftains, unto the Land of Ur and far Babylon.
7. Then were the people stirred to anger and great mischief, tearing at their raiment, and raising great tumult, saying:
8. "Bush, if thou go not in unto thy helpmeet, Laura, and if thou lieth there not with her, and know her not, and maketh her not to beget unto thee more maidens, fair and comely; but shall pass thou thy days in war in the Land of Ur and far Babylon, then unto thine words shall we hearken not, neither shall we heed the counsel of thy chieftains
9. Verily we say unto to thee, Bush: if thou doeth not these things we ask of thee, and goest thou then unto war and retireth not, we shall come unto thee and thy chieftains, and put our hands upon thee, and we shall cast thee and them from us, unto the darkness beyond the Beltway, where dwelleth only carrion fowl and the Mingled Peoples!"
10. And hearing thus, Bush waxed wroth and did curse the people and did tear his raiment, crying: " I am the Chief of all of thee! I maketh war where I will, and I goeth in unto whom I will, and I goeth neither to the right hand, nor to the left hand, when I will not!"
11. And the people were sore amazed at Bush and his wrothful speech, and in the eleventh month did they take themselves unto the assembly, and there did they throw their lots upon the ground.
12. And the scribes of the people came them unto the assembly and gathered unto them the lots that were upon the ground, yea, all of them, and counted them they did.
13. And the scribes did read the judgment of the people in the lots they had thrown upon the ground, and the judgment was read to the people, and the people were pleased with the judgment that they had made.
14. And went then the people unto Bush and his chieftains, and put they their hands upon them, and cast them away they did, unto the darkness beyond the Beltway, where dwelleth only carrion fowl and the Mingled Peoples . . . .

The fragments breaks off at this point.

 

Did Bush know ? Were it not for the lovely and gracious Laura by his side, Bush would probably shower with his clothes on.

 

Yeah you cant really be serious with this utube video. First of all it looks like something from Access Hollywood or one of those retarted shows. Secondly, I'm a bush supporter but everyone knows how notoriouslly bad he is when it comes to speaking, some of the stuff this guy says I wouldnt believe until I heard it first hand.

MrR

 

JLPWCXIII - don't hurt yourself with big ideas

Gents,

One again JLPWCXIII has shown that he should stick to posting pictures of late Victorian Great Britain rather than trying to make a salient point about current affairs.

Karl

 

I can't belive this was posted when $40 million people are dying in the streets of America because they don't have healthcare while the other $260 million are shooting at each other. ;-)

 

Interesting responses. Bush has a long track record of being coy with the truth (to put it mildly), and here we have startling evidence that he claims to have 'seen the first plane hit the tower'. If former President Clinton had made an analagous slip-up about the Cole bombing, Vince Foster, or Ron Brown, one wonders if the gentlemen on this thread would have been equally determined to overlook it.

 

JLPWCXIII,

Have I ever complained about Clinton's commission in the GRU? Absolutely not! I am glad he served at least one country honorably!.....just kidding. I for one have never subscribed to the conspiracy theories surrounding the Clinton's except for the the cloud Bill Clinton created over what the meaning of IS is.

Karl

 

'Intelligent and qualified people' are infamous for embracing some rather stupid and unqualified ideas and opinions. Please, I could start the mother of all threads on this subject alone. Angela Davis once proclaimed her superior knowledge of Vietnam at a student seminar at UCSC. A few Vets in grad school proceeded to challenge her to list 5 Saigon bars, ocean currents off the coast and how fast a water buffalo can charge out of a rice paddy. It's the story of the 4 blind men examining an elephant and deciding what it was.

Certainly intelligent and qualified people can be misinformed, self-deluded, etc., just like anyone else. But as one of our more independent-minded members, don't you ever hesitate to accept the 'official' version of events, especially when there are inconsistencies and cover-ups?