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In a recent post, I said some things about Bean that later appeared to me as intemperate. Like others who posted, I've been a customer for a long time -- almost thirty years -- and my comments were made in the context of one who has watched the company and its products change over time, not always for the better.

As I said earlier, I have been disappointed with many things I have purchased or received as gifts from Bean in the last several years. However, I should clarify by saying that none of these things have been terribly expensive, and it would be patently unfair to compare, say, Bean's chinos against a pair of Bills costing three times as much, or their OCBD against Mercer's. Always, you get what you pay for.

Moreover, Bean does some things very well. Their children's clothes, for example, are a bit more expensive than at other places, but are of considerably better quality than most -- the majority of my daughters' winter coats, snow boots, and "good" clothes have come from Bean, and they are always outgrown before they've worn out (and are then handed down, often multiple times). Similarly, certain staples like "Scotch Plaid" flannel and heavyweight chamois-cloth shirts, all-cotton turtlenecks, and Duofold underwear are of good quality, reasonably priced, and readily available at Bean. And the Maine Hunting Boot -- an absolute trad classic -- appears to be the same as it ever was.

One of the essential features of the trad style, if not the trad psyche, is the belief that things were generally better in the past. We wear sportcoats that went out of fashion decades ago, hunt for dress shoes that haven't changed since the Eisenhower administration, and eschew new-fangled and ephemeral trends, like boxers with elastic waistbands. The rest of the world moves on, however, and while it's a blessing that venerable shops like Andover and O'Connells still exist to cater to our whims and needs, ultimately, I don't suppose I can blame Bean for following the money.

Still cursing the dark,

-- Egadlfy
 
I can't say that I find a whole lot of Bean's stuff that enticing. I know that khakis, flannel shirts, and boots can only be so interesting, but man, that is one bland and boring website. Maybe I'm a sucker for slick advertising, but Bean just doesn't get me interested. Even the stores don't have much of anything that appeals to me. I've tried to like it, I really have, but all I own from there is a robe (which I'm wearing as I type this). I'm too young to remember their heyday, but I assume it was much better than the current offerings.
 
but all I own from there is a robe (which I'm wearing as I type this).
I say, ol' cookie, five bells and still in the robe? Must have been quite the binge last night.

Bean still offers the best wreaths and table greenery for the holidays, not to mention dog beds. I would rather buy from Bean than LE, but I agree with cookie, not much offered grabs my attention.
 
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I can't say that I find a whole lot of Bean's stuff that enticing. I know that khakis, flannel shirts, and boots can only be so interesting, but man, that is one bland and boring website. Maybe I'm a sucker for slick advertising, but Bean just doesn't get me interested. Even the stores don't have much of anything that appeals to me. I've tried to like it, I really have, but all I own from there is a robe (which I'm wearing as I type this). I'm too young to remember their heyday, but I assume it was much better than the current offerings.
If you went to prep school in the '70s or early '80s, you wore Bean (and probably still have a few items left in your closet); otherwise, I can see why they might seem unexciting compared to a lot of other retailers. Of course, I remember when Lands End was primarily a seller of foul-weather gear and other sailing goods.

Bean still offers the best wreaths and table greenery for the holidays, not to mention dog beds. I would rather buy from Bean than LE, but I agree with cookie, not much offered grabs my attention.
Agreed about the greenery -- we send them to my in-laws every year, and they are always very well-received. Any reason to prefer the Bean dog bed to Orvis's, though? I seem to recall thinking the Orvis looked a little nicer.
 
Any reason to prefer the Bean dog bed to Orvis's, though? I seem to recall thinking the Orvis looked a little nicer.
I'll either have to retract my last statement or add 'the best that I can buy with all those gift cards received at Christmas from my wife's side of the family'--yankees one and all.
Funny to go visit--everything they own and I mean everything seems have been purchased from LL Bean. They're in Maine--local pride, I suppose.
 
Trad stuff doesn't have to be expensive, in my view. In any case, the time will come when Alden goes offshore, or shutters its doors. So be ready.
 
I can remember when Bean was kind of an insiders catalogue-I bought first from them in the late 70's as I saw an ad in the New Yorker magazine. I shortly thereafter bought some nice ocbd shirts w/the Press style flap yet -in all cotton-maybe not quite Brooks but nice. Recent Bean ocbd wrink le reisstant (2 years ago ) i s nowhere near that- I would never buy another. I have some old rubber mocs, Bean boots and chamois shirt. and 1980 or before mechanical LLB Hamilton watch-all from days of yore.
I have some gift certificates to redeem and might buy Blucher and a camp moc- If I didnt have the certificates i would probably opt for quoddy trails.
The cheapening seems to have occured in the last 5-8 years. There are ,to be sure some nice items, but the catalogue and merchandise 20 years ago was something to look forward to. (off topic) I can also remember enjoying purchases from Jos. Bank-anything I have from them is atleast 10 -15 years old before the Euro trash effect set in.

max
 
As a client of LL Bean for over 35 years I am disappointed by recent trends, that coincide with the management for the first time passing out of hands of the Bean family. Clearly the bottom line has driven recent decisions to open new stores, go increasingly offshore for goods, and abandon some of Bean's staples, including the elimination of non non-iron chinos and oxfords.

Until quite recently virtually all of my clothing, save for more formal stuff like blazers, tweed jackets and ties, and underwear which Bean didn't sell, came from Freeport. I think that Bean is not, repeat, not, in direct competition with the Trad Forum's favored three: Press, Andover Shop and O'Connells.

There is a large market out there made up of people who are looking to look casual, but not sloppy (read:AmJack), something that I think many AAF members would appreciate. I must admit that the distinction that differentiated Bean from Lands End, the new A&F, J. Crew, was it's stolidness, its consistency, that it was not susceptable to trends in fashion, is becoming blurred. (I can't help but put in a special damning reference to Orvis which has lost all credibility for pretending to be a a quality 'supplier' to the 'sportsman' , in the narrowest sense of the word, but has lost all sense of real quality, though their rods are still okay.)

For many, many years their hunting, fishing and outdoors departments were bastions of reliablity and good advice. I still find their staff in the fishing department extremely helpful and accomodating and prepared to share, within limits, advice. And who can fault their return policy which has become a model for high end merchants? Still, many of the outdoor activites are now eclipsed by specialty stores. For example, where they once made an effort to carry several levels and makes of bicycles they've now gone for the recreational bikes of Schwinn.

Having said all this, I must admit that I still found some justification for two one-hour trips to their new Burlington store, buying stuff for daughter and memsahib, and a neat headlamp for myself. Alas, I think the good days are gone. Fortunately I did buy about ten pairs of the old Double L chinos four years back while the non non-iron option was still there. (Guys, we need a more mellifluous term to describe untreated fabrics. Will someone write the Atlantic Monthly's Word Count page to seek one?)
 
3button Max;456768I I shortly thereafter bought some nice ocbd shirts w/the Press style flap yet -in all cotton-maybe not quite Brooks but nice. [/QUOTE said:
I found one of these at the thrift store not too long ago. It is clearly old (based on the tag and how the buttons have aged), but fortunately it fits me. I really like, even though the fabric is thinner than I would like it to be (definitely thinner than my Brooks OCBDs). I've always kind of been kind of iffy on the Press flap pockets, but after getting this shirt, I've definitely reconsidered. Whenever I get around to ordering from Mercer (which could be a while, based on how my Brooks shirts are holding up), I might have to include a few patch pockets in my order.
 
Bean is not what it was, but I am still able to pull a few items that pass muster. Are they US made? No, not much is these days. Recently I ordered jeans and a flannel shirt from bean and they are spot on. The same week, I ordered jeans, boxers and socks from Lands End- all but the socks went into the returns box with a few items from my last order with them. I'm generally finding that LE is typically of inferior quality to Bean, but they both have suffered in quality quite a bit in the last decade.
 
Having said all this, I must admit that I still found some justification for two one-hour trips to their new Burlington store, buying stuff for daughter and memsahib, and a neat headlamp for myself. Alas, I think the good days are gone. Fortunately I did buy about ten pairs of the old Double L chinos four years back while the non non-iron option was still there. (Guys, we need a more mellifluous term to describe untreated fabrics. Will someone write the Atlantic Monthly's Word Count page to seek one?)
Every man should own a headlamp. They're not just for miners anymore. I've had one since I saw Dan Aykroyd's character sporting cranial illumination in the 1981 comedy classic, "Neighbors" (as I recall, his version was a flashlight taped to an army-surplus M1 steel helmet--I went for a more refined option with a headband, but you get the picture). Very handy for night-putting, that is, putting at night . . . with the 15-year-old daughter of the dean. Well, gotta go . . . I'm off to work at my father's lumberyard now. . . if I could just remember where it is.

How about "regular-finish chinos" for the old-school trows that Bean's won't carry anymore? (Darn shame; I loved the ones I wore through college.)
 
Clearly the bottom line has driven recent decisions to open new stores, go increasingly offshore for goods, and abandon some of Bean's staples, including the elimination of non non-iron chinos and oxfords.
Are 'non non-iron chinos' simply called 'iron chinos'?

Anyway...I agree with some of what has been said...Bean is at a crossroads. Very recently I noticed for the first time little things bothering me about their clothing. Quality issues. But I stress that it's slight. To beable to order a fine pair of conservative jeans for $29.50 is a blessing. In recent times past I could've said that almost EVERYTHING they would send me I would like. Trying to pretend to be a real 1930s outfitter in 2006 is a very tricky business. You have to juggle all kinds of intentions and possibilities.

On balance I would say it's still an American Treasure of the highest degree. A company that big that can really throw its weight around and hasn't turned into 'J. Crew #3,212' is to be applauded. I know they are aware of what they mean to the trad world and will make the best of it.

To maintain their size as a company...it's my impression that trying to turn into an upscale botiquey outfitter a la Orvis would not work.

Danny
 
I think with Bean as well as many other vendors...there are products that are a superb value and then there are some imposters thrown in. It is true that Bean has been throwing more imposters in recently. I believe it is a true skill to be able to look at a catalogue and pick out the imposters. I am trying to get better at it. Sometimes considering price point helps with this.

Danny
 
How about "standard" and "non-iron"? This has the added benefit of suggesting that the treated fabric is an aberration. "Oho, standard's not good enough for you, you dubious person? What's next - a virtual dog to walk in while wearing your non-iron chinos?"
 
My family has really cut back on our L.L. Bean purchases in the last 10 years. We used to buy almost everything from there but recently, save the Bean boots, the tote bags and the chamois shirts, nothing seems that classic anymore. They used to be so old school that they were almost cool, kind of like Filson, but now they just sell non-iron chinos and polar fleece in colors like sea foam and periwinkle. Perhaps I am too swayed by good advertising, but the stuff just doesn't do it for me. It isn't stuffy in an endearing old mannish way like Press or Cable Car, but rather in the way that a wealthy, suburban, cross country skiing, clog and polar fleece wearing, Subaru driving Smith College Graduate who goes to school board meetings demanding better vegan food in elementary school cafeteria is stuffy.
That being said the mongrammed Bean backpack, is still de rigeur in many private schools.
As a member of the under-30 set, perhaps older members could recall, has Bean always been a bit more dowdy and suburbanized than Orvis or Filson? Or is this a product of its 1980s popularity and desire to hold market share?
 
"that a wealthy, suburban, cross country skiing, clog and polar fleece wearing, Subaru driving Smith College Graduate who goes to school board meetings demanding better vegan food in elementary school cafeteria is stuffy. "

Ouch, Septa, what did I ever do to you, huh? I suppose the abovesaid person reads the New Yorker, voted for McGovern if they're old enough, and speaks Esperanto.
 
"that a wealthy, suburban, cross country skiing, clog and polar fleece wearing, Subaru driving Smith College Graduate who goes to school board meetings demanding better vegan food in elementary school cafeteria is stuffy. "

Ouch, Septa, what did I ever do to you, huh? I suppose the abovesaid person reads the New Yorker, voted for McGovern if they're old enough, and speaks Esperanto.
Ha! No offense intended. Just making observations from first hand experience. I grew up in various suburbs of NY, Boston and Seattle, from a Saab and Volvo household, that subscribed to the NYTimes, Atlantic and Utne Reader, and went to Haverford College, where the politics were only slightly to the right of Nader. Can't say that I speak Espranto though.
 
I found one of these at the thrift store not too long ago. It is clearly old (based on the tag and how the buttons have aged), but fortunately it fits me. I really like, even though the fabric is thinner than I would like it to be (definitely thinner than my Brooks OCBDs). I've always kind of been kind of iffy on the Press flap pockets, but after getting this shirt, I've definitely reconsidered. Whenever I get around to ordering from Mercer (which could be a while, based on how my Brooks shirts are holding up), I might have to include a few patch pockets in my order.
funny- I have 2 flap pocket Bean thrifted! a tattersall and a yellow-and was thinking about having Mercer do similar--I have also heard that his tails are a little shorter than Brooks-I like them long-
 
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