jimmy,

if you want to deal in obsenety, I can match you picture for picture. sure, there are some unhappy lebanese, and I am sorry for it. but there are 1 million israelis not sleeping in their houses, either, and lebanese citizens, represented by lebanese elected ministers are firing thousands of rockets into israel. weeping over who has come up with the better pictures does nobody any good - come up with a rational argument - are you of the belief that israel should let arabs kill jews whenever they feel like it, or do you have some other belief system that you would like to share with us?


concerning US politicians - I find it fascinating that every time US politicians vote for israel, the assumption is that they are doing it to make 4% of the population of the US happy. voting for israel and against terror is like voting against pedophilia - yes, it isn't clear cut and universal, but if you aren't insane, it makes perfect sense.

 

Guernica by Pablo Picasso is worth more than all the film developed in the ensuing 7 decades. A beloved Rabbi once said " everytime two people meet a third should benefit." I try, with little enough sucess to remember that when I post. Elsewhere in the world today Ethiopian troops are fighting Somalies, The brutal dictatorship of Burma remains in power, Zapatistas is Mexico are being killed, the 6 counties of Ireland are nervously struggling with a fragile ceasefire, Kashmir is a flashpoint betwen India and Pakistan, Tamil tigers blow up tourists on Sri lanka aka Ceylon, Greeks and Turks eye each other over Cyprus, ETA Basque and Corsican seperatists make bombs and full blood Lakota look upon Ward Churchill and his mixed blood faction with hostility and my next door nieghbor tried to steal yesterday's Sunday paper from my doorstep with the job ads. We wake up every morning to that scene in 2001 with the alpha ape smashing bones with his femur to THUS SPRACH ZARATHUSTRA instead of a work of love by Hildegaard Von Bingen. Maybe if we share newspapers in trade for the nieghbor retrieving my escaped cat real progress can be effected.Rightous anger demands rightous action.

 

*graphic images ahead*

Meantime on this side of the pond your self-less elected officials continue to jump through AIPAC rings like circus poodles.

Jimmy,

You need some education re the real world.

Here's a start: https://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=072406D

Cheers

 

jimmy,

if you want to deal in obsenety, I can match you picture for picture. sure, there are some unhappy lebanese, and I am sorry for it. but there are 1 million israelis not sleeping in their houses, either, and lebanese citizens, represented by lebanese elected ministers are firing thousands of rockets into israel. weeping over who has come up with the better pictures does nobody any good - come up with a rational argument - are you of the belief that israel should let arabs kill jews whenever they feel like it, or do you have some other belief system that you would like to share with us?

concerning US politicians - I find it fascinating that every time US politicians vote for israel, the assumption is that they are doing it to make 4% of the population of the US happy. voting for israel and against terror is like voting against pedophilia - yes, it isn't clear cut and universal, but if you aren't insane, it makes perfect sense.

Globe,

Jimmy has some "issues"

https://askandyaboutclothes.com/community/showthread.php?p=240119#post240119

https://askandyaboutclothes.com/community/showthread.php?t=53970

 

jrr, thanks, I guess I can't keep track of every crackpot who posts here.

 

Or maybe the Lebanese gov't should be (and should have been) pressured to implement the UN Security Council Resolution 1559, (passed in 2004) which called for disarming Hezbollah and the deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon.

Would that have prevented much or all of this beforehand? Where was the wailing and gnashing of teeth for that?

Are any of those pictures one of the innocent people in Israel who have been killed?

 

*graphic images ahead*

Meantime on this side of the pond your self-less elected officials continue to jump through AIPAC rings like circus poodles.

Why don't you just say what you really want to say without hiding behind the veneer of objective analysis of U.S. mid-east policy!

 

Well said, Relayer.

 

Or maybe the Lebanese gov't should be (and should have been) pressured to implement the UN Security Council Resolution 1559, (passed in 2004) which called for disarming Hezbollah and the deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon.

Would that have prevented much or all of this beforehand? Where was the wailing and gnashing of teeth for that?

Are any of those pictures one of the innocent people in Israel who have been killed?

What about how the UN divided up the middle east to begin with. Couldn't anyone see there was disaster when those border lines were created?

 

What about how the UN divided up the middle east to begin with. Couldn't anyone see there was disaster when those border lines were created?

this is a common refrain, but it isn't nessasarily clear. the structure of the old middle east didn't really fit in with the idea of the modern state - you basically had a centrally governed but weak empire covering an area about the size of the US, consisting of mixed populations that lived near each other, but didn't really like each other or cooperate much, and where much of the population both immigrated on a regular basis and was more likly to keep solid relashionships with people of similar religious/cultural orientation who lived far away rather than people who lived near them. this was no good structure for a group of nation states.

in terms of the division of what is today israel, jordan, palestine, syria and lebanon, maybe the division wasn't done in the best way possible, maybe it was. the fault doesn't lie with the people who drew the lines, the fault lies with those that launched into murderous warfare when they didn't like the lines.

 

if you want to deal in obsenety, I can match you picture for picture. sure, there are some unhappy lebanese, and I am sorry for it. but there are 1 million israelis not sleeping in their houses, either, and lebanese citizens, represented by lebanese elected ministers are firing thousands of rockets into israel.

This post and the one it is responding to has just summed up my entire view on this mideast crap. They did this - they did that. Lets show pictures to see how the other guy kills our children. I am so sick of both sides I could vomit. Even if this stops, its only a matter of time until one side will start it again. Of all of the research I have done about this issue, the thing I am most convinced of is each side is a mirror image of each other. They both act the same way and say the same EXACT things about each other. Even on a personal level. My next door neighbor in college was Palestinean - a great guy - until he started talking about Israel. My first boss was Jewish - also a great guy - until he started talking about Palestine. W/o the mideast crap, I could easily see these two being best of friends - they were so similar. They even said the SAME EXACT things about each other. Except the phrases were completely filled w venom.

My current view of the situation? It reminds me of how I felt when I was in college when the KKK came to town to hold a rally, and the Black Panthers showed up to resist them. There was hundreds of cops there trying to keep the peace. I recall thinking how normal taxpaying citizens were footing the bill for this crap. I know the wrong attitude, but something deep inside me said maybe a better solution was to fence off the area and drop a bunch of bats and knives inside and let them kill each other so the rest of us can go on in peace. Again, I know the wrong attitude, but I am so sick of this Middle East fighting and bickering am to the point sometimes where I hope they annihilate each other and do the rest of us a favor.

Ok - rant over.

 

I'm with you. Or maybe with Jonathan Swift. All this murder and mayhem is leading me to indulge my latent misanthropy.

At its worst, as it often is, the human animal is a pernicious speck of vermin best expelled from the planet.

The Middle East conflicts, including the one in Iraq sucking up so much blood and money, are execrable.

Everyday horror becomes an afterthought:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5573752

This post and the one it is responding to has just summed up my entire view on this mideast crap. They did this - they did that. Lets show pictures to see how the other guy kills our children. I am so sick of both sides I could vomit. Even if this stops, its only a matter of time until one side will start it again. Of all of the research I have done about this issue, the thing I am most convinced of is each side is a mirror image of each other. They both act the same way and say the same EXACT things about each other. Even on a personal level. My next door neighbor in college was Palestinean - a great guy - until he started talking about Israel. My first boss was Jewish - also a great guy - until he started talking about Palestine. W/o the mideast crap, I could easily see these two being best of friends - they were so similar. They even said the SAME EXACT things about each other. Except the phrases were completely filled w venom.

My current view of the situation? It reminds me of how I felt when I was in college when the KKK came to town to hold a rally, and the Black Panthers showed up to resist them. There was hundreds of cops there trying to keep the peace. I recall thinking how normal taxpaying citizens were footing the bill for this crap. I know the wrong attitude, but something deep inside me said maybe a better solution was to fence off the area and drop a bunch of bats and knives inside and let them kill each other so the rest of us can go on in peace. Again, I know the wrong attitude, but I am so sick of this Middle East fighting and bickering am to the point sometimes where I hope they annihilate each other and do the rest of us a favor.

Ok - rant over.

 

I believe that the Israelis yearn for peace and stability.

 

Or maybe the Lebanese gov't should be (and should have been) pressured to implement the UN Security Council Resolution 1559, (passed in 2004) which called for disarming Hezbollah and the deployment of the Lebanese army in southern Lebanon.

Would that have prevented much or all of this beforehand? Where was the wailing and gnashing of teeth for that?

Are any of those pictures one of the innocent people in Israel who have been killed?

Do you realize how many UN Security Council Resolutions Isreal is currently in violation of?

 

Do you realize how many UN Security Council Resolutions Isreal is currently in violation of?

Does anyone actually follow any UN Security Council Resolutions unless it happens to align with their own aims?

 

Is it me or whenever the self-designated Light Unto the Nations committs a new set of war crimes ( with American arms, jet fuel and diplomatic cover ), the diaspora laptop bombardiers for Zion predictably don their psychiatrist hats ?
Globe, so when your goverment makes my goverment an accomplice to said crimes that is good for America exactly how ?
Already there are reports of Lebanese civilans, who had to scrape the charred bodies of their children off the ground, demanding to know who are the Americans among the foreign press corps so as to atack them.
Over 400 Lebanese civilans dead, 800 thousand turned into refugees, south of the country a free-fire zone, South Beirut a pile of rubble....
Where is Abe Foxman and his diversity-is-our-strength, Kumbaya, we-are-the-children and I-wanna-hold-your-hand sermons when you need them ?
BTW, according to A. Sharon " AIPAC is in the education business " . So you might want to edit your talking points.


P.S. In case anybody's missed it, here's another gem from the Bush crew: Unique people suffer uniquely

 

Jimmy G, are you determined to cause the greatest offence to the greatest number of people?

Aus

 

JimmyG, did you major in rhetoric in college? Try English. We running dog capitalist lackeys find it works well in communicating our reactionary thoughts.

 

Is it me or whenever the self-designated Light Unto the Nations committs a new set of war crimes ( with American arms, jet fuel and diplomatic cover ), the diaspora laptop bombardiers for Zion predictably don their psychiatrist hats ?
Globe, so when your goverment makes my goverment an accomplice to said crimes that is good for America exactly how ?
Already there are reports of Lebanese civilans, who had to scrape the charred bodies of their children off the ground, demanding to know who are the Americans among the foreign press corps so as to atack them.
Over 400 Lebanese civilans dead, 800 thousand turned into refugees, south of the country a free-fire zone, South Beirut a pile of rubble....
Where is Abe Foxman and his diversity-is-our-strength, Kumbaya, we-are-the-children and I-wanna-hold-your-hand sermons when you need them ?
BTW, according to A. Sharon " AIPAC is in the education business " . So you might want to edit your talking points.

P.S. In case anybody's missed it, here's another gem from the Bush crew: Unique people suffer uniquely

I count at least a dozen good bumper sticker phrases from this one!

 

JimmyG,

From your thoughtful and well-reasoned post, I gather that you are the King of Absurdistan.

 

JimmyG,

From your thoughtful and well-reasoned post, I gather that you are the King of Absurdistan.

I think, after reading several of his posts, the title would not be "king" but probably rather "der Feuhrer".

 

It does harken one back to the scene in Back to School when Rodney Dangerfield has Sam Kinison as a history prof.

"He really seems to care.... about what I have no idea"

hmm... funnier with Rodney's eye roll but you get the idea.

 

Of all of the research I have done about this issue, the thing I am most convinced of is each side is a mirror image of each other. They both act the same way and say the same EXACT things about each other.

Really? The Israelis have taken Olympic athletes hostage and shot them? They've hijacked planes? They've been strapping children down with explosives and sending them on busses and into eateries to target civlians? They've hijacked a cruise ships and thrown a disabled American overboard? Sorry, just don't agree with you. I, too, think, if left alone - the Israelis would welcome peace.

 

Really? The Israelis have taken Olympic athletes hostage and shot them? They've hijacked planes? They've been strapping children down with explosives and sending them on busses and into eateries to target civlians? They've hijacked a cruise ships and thrown a disabled American overboard? Sorry, just don't agree with you. I, too, think, if left alone - the Israelis would welcome peace.

Ever take a look at the number of civilian deaths, Israeli vs Palestinian? Although the Israeli methods may seem more 'civil', they are much better at killing innocent civilians. It's an ugly situation on both ends.

 

Really? The Israelis have taken Olympic athletes hostage and shot them? They've hijacked planes? They've been strapping children down with explosives and sending them on busses and into eateries to target civlians? They've hijacked a cruise ships and thrown a disabled American overboard? Sorry, just don't agree with you. I, too, think, if left alone - the Israelis would welcome peace.

Your catalog of atrocity is incomplete. You omitted Deir Yassin, the assassinations of Lord Moyne and Folke Bernadotte, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the kidnapping and murder of British soldiers, and any number of other "terrorist" acts committed by Zionist "terrorists" before the establishment of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. Since that date, Israel has been privileged to commit its atrocities the proper, civilized way: by uniformed soldiers implementing the policies of the elected government of an ostensibly democratic state. Or better yet, through the use of proxies (see: Sabra and Shatila, Massacre of). This, apparently, makes all the difference in the court of public opinion; I doubt that it makes much difference to the dead.

Of course, Israel "would welcome peace" - on its terms. Until such happy time, Israel is perfectly content to remain in a state of perpetual war with any and all real or perceived enemies. Jabotinsky made the case clearly in "The Iron Wall" and it remains the policy of Zionism to this day: "the only way to obtain such an agreement [peace with the indigenous Arab population], is the iron wall, which is to say a strong power in Palestine that is not amenable to any Arab pressure. In other words, the only way to reach such agreement in the future, is to abandon all idea of seeking an agreement today." The only power that could change this calculus of misery is the United States; but for reasons of its own, it chooses not to (See: Iraq, Invasion of). So, we are now witness to another "escalation" of the endless conflict; one that will continue for weeks, months, perhaps years, and will eventually sputter to an inconclusive end; after which the combatants will retrench and regroup until another seemingly trivial "provocation" launches the cycle anew. A medieval Anglo-Saxon Bard said it best:

Good against evil; youth against age
Life against death; light against darkness
Army against army; foe against foe
Hostile with hostile shall always fight
Contending for land and avenging wrongs
A wise man must ponder this world's strife.