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To throw in an exception to the 'everything looks better buttoned' rule: the evening dress coat is fitted unbuttoned and therefore looks best unbuttoned.

There was an amusing story about this in an issue of (I think) Tailor and cutter magasine, circa Great War. A certain tailor's client bespoke a dress coat and then complained that it was too small. He tried it on at the tailor's shop, unbuttoned. The tailor looked at him and said the coat was perfect. 'But,' says the client, 'I cannot button it.' Apparently, this client was of some old school that buttoned their dress coats. (Not surprising as the riding dress coat is buttoned.)

At afternoon funerals, wear a frock coat and top hat. Should the funeral be your own, the hat may be dispensed with.
--The Cynic's Rules of Conduct. 1905
 
quote:Originally posted by PennGlock

I cant believe so many people on this forum, of all places, advocate keeping a suit unbuttoned! This makes me wonder about some of the other advice given here...
Just what I was wondering as well
 
I find that almost every Englishman that I see in London wears his jacket closed. I find that a great number of men in Italy wear them open.

IMO, they look good open only if they are cut close to the body. A boxier jacket looks like hell open.

The "best dressed man in the world" Luca di Montezemolo almost always has his SB jackets unbuttoned while the DBs are always buttoned.
 
I think too much is being made of this. If you like to button your jacket, button it. If you don't, don't.

Jackets do look more formal when buttoned. On the other hand, in these times, I appreciate someone who takes the time to wear a suit or tie. I congratulate them whether their jacket is buttoned or open.
 
quote:Originally posted by JLPWCXIII

quote:Originally posted by Vik

I like double breasted suits and do beleive that when standing, the only way to wear them is buttoned. However, I do insist on being able to sit in them when they are buttoned also - as a sign to myself that the fit is correct.

There is a great photo that was posted on the form showing a man in an Oxxford DB sitting while it was buttoned - that is the effect of comfort and grace I strive for.

Vik
It's difficult to imagine that sort of dressing at a similar event today. Unapologetic style.

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Unapologetic, but is it style? That look may have been commonplace then (50s?) but was it stylish at the time? Even if it was it fails to make the transition to the present day.

Too constrained, too dull!
 
quote:Originally posted by Brideshead

quote:Originally posted by JLPWCXIII

quote:Originally posted by Vik

I like double breasted suits and do beleive that when standing, the only way to wear them is buttoned. However, I do insist on being able to sit in them when they are buttoned also - as a sign to myself that the fit is correct.

There is a great photo that was posted on the form showing a man in an Oxxford DB sitting while it was buttoned - that is the effect of comfort and grace I strive for.

Vik
It's difficult to imagine that sort of dressing at a similar event today. Unapologetic style.

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Unapologetic, but is it style? That look may have been commonplace then (50s?) but was it stylish at the time? Even if it was it fails to make the transition to the present day.

Too constrained, too dull!
You must understand that at the time of this photo Versace had not even been born.
 
quote:Originally posted by Teacher

Man, is this what it's like being at a Star Trek convention and listening to a debate about who the best captain was?
we have read from our sensors that your message was meant to poke fun at our dedication to build a united federation! how dare you! your insults will be met by a stun blast at full strength mode! you will pay you romulan lackey!!!
 
quote:Originally posted by Rich

Interestingly, there is a current trend, at least in Europe, towards doing up the top two buttons on a 3-button SB - Does this signal a return towards a more "buttoned-up" attitude? (Offset by undoing working sleeve buttons?[V])
True. This certainly seems to be the trend these days - leaving the last button "undone". Have seen this all over the US. What does the forum think of this?
 
quote:Originally posted by Rich

I'm fortunate in having grown up in a country and at a time where stripping prisoners to humiliate them is not condoned.

I agree with you that wanting to seem non-threatening can be good and useful. But looking strong and in control can be good and useful too. When President Bush has something serious to tell the nation he would be less convincing, and less persuasive, saying it with his jacket unbuttoned.
Going a bit far, aren't we, Rich? Particularly the word "condoned," which (if you paid attention to America media and poll numbers) you'd know to be generally untrue. Lighten up...it's just a suit coat.
 
quote:Originally posted by Teacher

quote:Originally posted by Rich

I'm fortunate in having grown up in a country and at a time where stripping prisoners to humiliate them is not condoned.

I agree with you that wanting to seem non-threatening can be good and useful. But looking strong and in control can be good and useful too. When President Bush has something serious to tell the nation he would be less convincing, and less persuasive, saying it with his jacket unbuttoned.
Going a bit far, aren't we, Rich? Particularly the word "condoned," which (if you paid attention to America media and poll numbers) you'd know to be generally untrue. Lighten up...it's just a suit coat.
Sorry, I was overreacting to cpac's response. Seriously though, the question of buttoning and unbuttoning is not really one of comfort - it's to do with the language of clothing. That language carries a message, whether you like it or not, and it's important to be aware of what you're saying. There are times (not many, admittedly) when the signals sent by buttoning/unbuttoning can be important - e.g. in a very tricky negotiation. The "rules" are often just rules of interpersonal communication, on a par with body language, say. Still, you're right, it's just a suit coat.
 
quote:I thought the rule was to keep it buttoned all the time. That's what I do.
As did I, with the exception being the double breasted jacket, which is opened when sitting.

Lead me not into Banana Republic, but into a world of sartorial tempation.
 
quote:Originally posted by AMVanquish

If you're lucky enough to have six-pack abs, why not flaunt it?
Because you will look like a fool and your jacket will look bad.

The jacket is designed and tailored to look good when closed. When left open the front pulls sags, the back rises up and a pushes out from the bottom, and the whole thing drapes like crap with odd rolls, waves and ungulations that do not belong.

Leaving the jacket unbuttoned is the quickest way to make a perfectly tailored fine suit look cheap. The second quickest is to overlook a pocket square. Conversely, the easiest way to make a cheap suit look better is to 1) wear the jacket closed and add a pocket square.

Lead me not into Banana Republic, but into a world of sartorial tempation.
 
quote:Similarly one could see how at a cocktail party or similar social gathering having a coat buttoned up can come off as being formal, closed or otherwise not socially warm.
Conversely, having one's jacket closed at a cocktail party or similar social gathering can come off as sophisticate, smart, well mannered, and sexy.

Lead me not into Banana Republic, but into a world of sartorial tempation.
 
quote:Originally posted by Brideshead

quote:Originally posted by JLPWCXIII

quote:Originally posted by Vik

I like double breasted suits and do beleive that when standing, the only way to wear them is buttoned. However, I do insist on being able to sit in them when they are buttoned also - as a sign to myself that the fit is correct.

There is a great photo that was posted on the form showing a man in an Oxxford DB sitting while it was buttoned - that is the effect of comfort and grace I strive for.

Vik
It's difficult to imagine that sort of dressing at a similar event today. Unapologetic style.
Unapologetic, but is it style? That look may have been commonplace then (50s?) but was it stylish at the time? Even if it was it fails to make the transition to the present day.

Too constrained, too dull!
Of course it's style - and it does make the transition, since it is a classic style. Is it high style? Well, no. I'd never nominate FDR for that, but he was a stylish man, in a mainstream sort of way. Even Aloysius thinks so, don't you, Aloysius?

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quote:Originally posted by Lino

The jacket is designed and tailored to look good when closed.
A good point. This is true standing, but it might possibly justify unbuttoning when seated on the grounds that jackets aren't tailored to be buttoned when in a sitting position.
 
quote:Originally posted by Vik

kirk...

Originally posted by Teacher

Man, is this what it's like being at a Star Trek convention and listening to a debate about who the best captain was?
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Man, is this what it's like being at a Star Trek convention and listening to a debate about who the best captain was?
+1 to Kirk. But Picard was the better gentleman. And reason #3 from the 101 reasons Picard is better than Kirk webpage might have resonance with AAers: "Kirk wears boots -- Picard wears shoes. And as we all know, it's gotta be the shoes..."
 
I thought the rule was to keep it buttoned all the time. That's what I do.
As other forum members well know, I'm frequently against the notion of "rules" for dress, often because the original reason for a particular rule is so lost in the fog of the past as to have no current validity. This is not one of those cases. Aesthetically, a suit is generally designed with the jacket buttoned; this is the condition under which the lines flow properly and it looks its best. The exceptions might be a 3-piece suit or a sports coat-vest combination, which frequently look their best worn jacket-open.
 
That's probably true, but very few men wear their jackets buttoned at all times, unless they are giving a speech or having their picture taken.
 
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