I know the rule is to wear one's jacket buttoned while standing and unbuttoned while sitting. However, sometimes I find it cool to wear my jacket open. Is this a major fashion faux pas? Is anyone with me on this one?
Just what I was wondering as wellquote:Originally posted by PennGlock
I cant believe so many people on this forum, of all places, advocate keeping a suit unbuttoned! This makes me wonder about some of the other advice given here...
Yes - but then again, neither is wearing square-toe rubber soled shoesquote:Originally posted by manicturncoat
It is not a fashion faux-pas to keep one's jacket unbuttoned.
Unapologetic, but is it style? That look may have been commonplace then (50s?) but was it stylish at the time? Even if it was it fails to make the transition to the present day.quote:Originally posted by JLPWCXIII
It's difficult to imagine that sort of dressing at a similar event today. Unapologetic style.quote:Originally posted by Vik
I like double breasted suits and do beleive that when standing, the only way to wear them is buttoned. However, I do insist on being able to sit in them when they are buttoned also - as a sign to myself that the fit is correct.
There is a great photo that was posted on the form showing a man in an Oxxford DB sitting while it was buttoned - that is the effect of comfort and grace I strive for.
Vik
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You must understand that at the time of this photo Versace had not even been born.quote:Originally posted by Brideshead
Unapologetic, but is it style? That look may have been commonplace then (50s?) but was it stylish at the time? Even if it was it fails to make the transition to the present day.quote:Originally posted by JLPWCXIII
It's difficult to imagine that sort of dressing at a similar event today. Unapologetic style.quote:Originally posted by Vik
I like double breasted suits and do beleive that when standing, the only way to wear them is buttoned. However, I do insist on being able to sit in them when they are buttoned also - as a sign to myself that the fit is correct.
There is a great photo that was posted on the form showing a man in an Oxxford DB sitting while it was buttoned - that is the effect of comfort and grace I strive for.
Vik
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Too constrained, too dull!
we have read from our sensors that your message was meant to poke fun at our dedication to build a united federation! how dare you! your insults will be met by a stun blast at full strength mode! you will pay you romulan lackey!!!quote:Originally posted by Teacher
Man, is this what it's like being at a Star Trek convention and listening to a debate about who the best captain was?
True. This certainly seems to be the trend these days - leaving the last button "undone". Have seen this all over the US. What does the forum think of this?quote:Originally posted by Rich
Interestingly, there is a current trend, at least in Europe, towards doing up the top two buttons on a 3-button SB - Does this signal a return towards a more "buttoned-up" attitude? (Offset by undoing working sleeve buttons?[V])
Going a bit far, aren't we, Rich? Particularly the word "condoned," which (if you paid attention to America media and poll numbers) you'd know to be generally untrue. Lighten up...it's just a suit coat.quote:Originally posted by Rich
I'm fortunate in having grown up in a country and at a time where stripping prisoners to humiliate them is not condoned.
I agree with you that wanting to seem non-threatening can be good and useful. But looking strong and in control can be good and useful too. When President Bush has something serious to tell the nation he would be less convincing, and less persuasive, saying it with his jacket unbuttoned.
Sorry, I was overreacting to cpac's response. Seriously though, the question of buttoning and unbuttoning is not really one of comfort - it's to do with the language of clothing. That language carries a message, whether you like it or not, and it's important to be aware of what you're saying. There are times (not many, admittedly) when the signals sent by buttoning/unbuttoning can be important - e.g. in a very tricky negotiation. The "rules" are often just rules of interpersonal communication, on a par with body language, say. Still, you're right, it's just a suit coat.quote:Originally posted by Teacher
Going a bit far, aren't we, Rich? Particularly the word "condoned," which (if you paid attention to America media and poll numbers) you'd know to be generally untrue. Lighten up...it's just a suit coat.quote:Originally posted by Rich
I'm fortunate in having grown up in a country and at a time where stripping prisoners to humiliate them is not condoned.
I agree with you that wanting to seem non-threatening can be good and useful. But looking strong and in control can be good and useful too. When President Bush has something serious to tell the nation he would be less convincing, and less persuasive, saying it with his jacket unbuttoned.
As did I, with the exception being the double breasted jacket, which is opened when sitting.quote:I thought the rule was to keep it buttoned all the time. That's what I do.
Because you will look like a fool and your jacket will look bad.quote:Originally posted by AMVanquish
If you're lucky enough to have six-pack abs, why not flaunt it?
Conversely, having one's jacket closed at a cocktail party or similar social gathering can come off as sophisticate, smart, well mannered, and sexy.quote:Similarly one could see how at a cocktail party or similar social gathering having a coat buttoned up can come off as being formal, closed or otherwise not socially warm.
Of course it's style - and it does make the transition, since it is a classic style. Is it high style? Well, no. I'd never nominate FDR for that, but he was a stylish man, in a mainstream sort of way. Even Aloysius thinks so, don't you, Aloysius?quote:Originally posted by Brideshead
Unapologetic, but is it style? That look may have been commonplace then (50s?) but was it stylish at the time? Even if it was it fails to make the transition to the present day.quote:Originally posted by JLPWCXIII
It's difficult to imagine that sort of dressing at a similar event today. Unapologetic style.quote:Originally posted by Vik
I like double breasted suits and do beleive that when standing, the only way to wear them is buttoned. However, I do insist on being able to sit in them when they are buttoned also - as a sign to myself that the fit is correct.
There is a great photo that was posted on the form showing a man in an Oxxford DB sitting while it was buttoned - that is the effect of comfort and grace I strive for.
Vik
Too constrained, too dull!
A good point. This is true standing, but it might possibly justify unbuttoning when seated on the grounds that jackets aren't tailored to be buttoned when in a sitting position.quote:Originally posted by Lino
The jacket is designed and tailored to look good when closed.
quote:Originally posted by Vik
kirk...
Originally posted by Teacher
Man, is this what it's like being at a Star Trek convention and listening to a debate about who the best captain was?![]()
koji
+1 to Kirk. But Picard was the better gentleman. And reason #3 from the 101 reasons Picard is better than Kirk webpage might have resonance with AAers: "Kirk wears boots -- Picard wears shoes. And as we all know, it's gotta be the shoes..."Man, is this what it's like being at a Star Trek convention and listening to a debate about who the best captain was?
As other forum members well know, I'm frequently against the notion of "rules" for dress, often because the original reason for a particular rule is so lost in the fog of the past as to have no current validity. This is not one of those cases. Aesthetically, a suit is generally designed with the jacket buttoned; this is the condition under which the lines flow properly and it looks its best. The exceptions might be a 3-piece suit or a sports coat-vest combination, which frequently look their best worn jacket-open.I thought the rule was to keep it buttoned all the time. That's what I do.