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I just got this Black Lapel suit in the mail yesterday. It's the first fitting, and I want to see what anyone else thinks.

The jacket is too tight around my waist, so it has to be let out a little bit. My tailor said I should taper the pants more, from the thigh all the way down to the ankles. And of course, the pants and/or sleeve lengths have to be adjusted slightly, but that's to be expected.

I'm including a photo without the jacket so that people can see my body proportions and dimensions more easily.

Any other thoughts? Thanks.
 

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Yeah, the jacket waist and pants waist are too tight, and I'm trying to convince Black Lapel they need to remake the jacket. (The pants have excess fabric to let out, but the jacket doesn't.)

But the jacket shoulders and chest, and the pants rise, are all perfectly comfortable.
 

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Yeah, the jacket waist and pants waist are too tight, and I'm trying to convince Black Lapel they need to remake the jacket. (The pants have excess fabric to let out, but the jacket doesn't.)

But the jacket shoulders and chest, and the pants rise, are all perfectly comfortable.
trying to convince them? Are they suggesting it's perfect?
 

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Sigh. My problem is that NOTHING I try MTM ever fits. I've tried MTM from brick-and-mortar stores too, and I haven't yet managed to get one that fits.

Off-the-rack jackets almost always fit me better than MTM jackets, but the problem is, the pants that come with the off-the-rack jackets don't fit. I need an off-the-rack 38S jacket with high-rise pants, but almost nobody seems to make that.

For example, Joseph Abboud 38S jacket fits me perfectly off-the-rack, but the accompanying pants don't fit. So I tried a Joseph Abboud MTM. Nope. Even in the exact same size, the shoulders divot.

(And I've tried suit separates, but I can almost never find matching jackets and pants in my size.)
 

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I thought the whole point of MTM was to tweak the fit to the wearers proportions.

from the pics you’ve provided, you don’t look as though you’re that difficult to fit. Where have you been going that you can’t find anything?
 

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My first problem is that I prefer wearing 3-piece and double-breasted suits. Maybe I'm weirdly neurotic, but when I wear a 2-piece, single-breasted suit, I feel like my belly is vulnerable and exposed. So that eliminates most off-the-rack options.

My second problem is that I wear my pants on my waist, which goes against the recent trend. So even when the jacket fits, the pants usually don't. For example, for an off-the-rack Joseph Abboud, I have to pair a Slim Fit 38S with the pants that come with a Slim Fit 40L jacket. Theoretically, I could just buy separates, but I haven't found separates in my size. So to wear Joseph Abboud, I have to buy two suits, one for the jacket and one for the pants. (The Joseph Abboud suit was on clearance, marked down from $1,000 to only $100, so I could afford to buy two suits and junk half the pieces.)

I had a similar problem with a Kenneth Cole Awearness Slim Fit at Men's Wearhouse: the jacket fit, but the pants were too short in the rise. And they didn't have separates for me, and I couldn't afford to buy two suits.

I tried MTM Joseph Abboud at Men's Wearhouse, but the shoulders rumple and divot - even though they used the same slim fit 38S as the template. (I haven't yet tried the Men's Wearhouse MTM Kenneth Cole Awearness.)

As for Jos. A. Bank's MTM, the Slim Fit and Tailored Fit both divot in the shoulders. So I have to stick with the looser Traditional Fit. Now, once you take the traditional fit in, it basically fits, but the shoulders are heavily padded, and it almost looks like I'm trying to be a football player. Now, the shoulders *do* fit - they don't extend past my natural shoulder, and they don't rumple or divot - but it's just not my preferred style.

J. Crew's Ludlow fits me if I buy the pants over-sized. Nominally, my pants are a 32x30, but I buy a 34x34 so that the rise is longer, and I have the tailor take everything else in. But J. Crew's selection is quite limited. I own their double-breasted grey houndstooth suit and their 3-piece solid navy suit, and that's everything they offer.

Finally, the Brooks Brothers 38S Regent Fit fits me, but it's hard to find very many 3-piece and double-breasted suits from them.

Ironically, all the suit separates at Macy's fit me fine. It's funny that Macy's does a better job of offering a wide variety of suit separates than stores like Men's Wearhouse, Jos. A. Bank, and Brooks Brothers do. The problem is that they're mostly wool-polyester blends. So I have the best success fitting in the cheapest suits. I generally pair a 38S jacket with 34x34 pants, and then tailor the pants down to 32x30 while keeping the longer rise.

So basically, I can find jackets that fit me, but the pants they come with usually don't fit me because the rise is too short. And fabric selections are often limited, and they're even more limited by the constraint that I want a vest or double-breasted jacket.
 

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I recently got to try Suit Supply. It turns out their Lazio 38S fits me almost perfectly and needs almost no alterations at all. The problem is that the rise is just barely enough for me. It fits, but it's not as comfortable as it could be. The rise is merely adequate. So I'm hoping for something better.

And Suit Supply's online custom line has only a very limited fabric selection. Their MTM has a much wider fabric selection, but that's offered only in-store, and I live a few hundred miles away.

So from where I live, I can make do with Suit Supply's online custom line, but I wanted something with a wider selection of fabrics. With Black Lapel, I am hoping to get a wider fabric selection without having to book a hotel stay in another city.

Finally, I've considered Spier & Mackay, but they tend to offer only 2-button, single-breasted. They do have a new online custom suit offering with a pretty good fabric selection, and the sizing is based on their off-the-rack options, with the ability to tweak the measurements. So that seems like it would be good. But the problem is that they don't allow returns on custom suits. So if I did a custom suit with them and it didn't fit, I'd be out $1,000. So it's too risky to try out. Maybe it would fit perfectly, but I can't afford to find out.
 

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This has been episode #1,935 of "the suit I bought online does not fit".
I am pleased to observe that someone is keeping tally.

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Well, the news is bad Mike - an impression you will have doubtless already gained from the responses thus far.

The jacket ranks amongst the tightest I have ever seen on this forum. I would be astonished were Black Lapel able to rectify this.

As a gentleman (of sorts) perhaps my gaze should not linger, and perhaps it is a distortion rendered by the resolution of my smartphone device, but is there an excess of cloth at the crotch?

It is time to test the authenticity of the refund guarantee.
 

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I think the excess of cloth is in the thigh, not the crotch per se. The rise was very comfortable. The tailor wanted to taper the pants all the way from the thigh to the ankle, so I think what you're seeing is just bagginess. But that's easily fixed.

And yes, you're all right - the jacket IS too tight. When I was standing still and posing for the tailor, the jacket felt fine. But Black Lapel asked me to try wearing the jacket for a day. So I tried. And while I did have complete freedom of motion, it wasn't comfortable. I constantly felt like I was going to rip a seam or "hulk out." Specifically, the deltoids and lateral muscles were too tight - around the shoulders and shoulder blades. Now, again, I did have complete - and I mean complete - freedom of motion. So I guess it's just a tiny bit too tight? I'll see if Black Lapel has any ideas for how to fix that.
 
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