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This is why I quit Brooks Brothers today!

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I received this today from BB web order. 44 reg and a nice fit. sleeves about 3-4 inches too short apparently altered for someone else. I had returned 2 Madison fit suits already. One was much too big the other too tight, identical 1818 Madison suits USA made (Southwick?). Now this. Nice jacket but I'm done with them.....
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It appears he has been doubly wronged, the jacket sleeves and the jeans legs.
I don't get it.
Dry cleaning should straighten all that out.
Everyone seems to have glossed over the fact that this was strike three for BB for the OP.
Everyone seems to have glossed over the fact that this was strike three for BB for the OP.
Hey, whatsamattayou!?!?

Why should a retailer be held publicly responsible for sending a customer a massive **** you, I couldn't care less, in the mail?

Poor retailer!!!
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I feel your pain sir. I was disappointed in the overall experience I had with the Seattle Brooks Brothers on my GF MTM. It took 2 remakes, I went through 4 different salesman, and nearly 8 months to receive. Everyone was quite nice and cordial throughout (the last salesman I landed with has been fantastic thankfully and I’m hoping he stays) but I guess I was expecting a smoother process and turn around time. I have far from given up on them but was unhappy overall with my first experience. The garment turned out pretty good it just took some time. Good things come to those who wait I suppose...

Terribly sorry you are having issues with them and their QC. I truly hope your luck turns around mate!
:deadhorse:; :(
Gentlemen, perhaps the real problem and focus of our ire is (or should be) buying on line and the inherent vagaries associated with that process, rather than with a specific vendor. Who among us has not been disappointed with one or most probably more online purchases? Had the OP made that purchase in a Brick and Mortar location and tried on the garment that proved oh-so-deficient and consequently so disappointing, this whole discussion could have been avoided.
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Tape measure only tells a little bit, when it is used right. A trained eye see's much more. The bone structure and the way individuals stand makes a huge difference. And, of course, muscle and fat development add other changes. Low hip and/or shoulder....
:deadhorse:; :(
Gentlemen, perhaps the real problem and focus of our ire is (or should be) buying on line and the inherent vagaries associated with that process, rather than with a specific vendor. Who among us has not been disappointed with one or most probably more online purchases? Had the OP made that purchase in a Brick and Mortar location and tried on the garment that proved oh-so-deficient and consequently so disappointing, this whole discussion could have been avoided.
While I agree in principal, I think that if I know a size "X", fit "Y", from BB fits me well (and have been fitted in a BB brick and mortar store), I would expect one ordered online to fit the same as the one I bought in the store. I certainly would not expect to get a altered return sent as new.
^^You overlook the intrinsic nature of the online operation. Employees filling the orders are not generally as knowledgeable about their products as brick and mortar store employees are apt to be. They are simply lowly paid individuals who pull your item from stock in some gigantic warehouse, stuff it in a shipping box with the customers address on it and turn it over to a contract courier for delivery to you....a lot less personalized approach to serving the customer and (methinks it) more prone to error! Just one opinion, but I think it to be a reasonable one. :(
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^^You overlook the intrinsic nature of the online operation. Employees filling the orders are not generally as knowledgeable about their products as brick and mortar store employees are apt to be. They are simply lowly paid individuals who pull your item from stock in some gigantic warehouse, stuff it in a shipping box with the customers address on it and turn it over to a contract courier for delivery to you....a lot less personalized approach to serving the customer and (methinks it) more prone to error! Just one opinion, but I think it to be a reasonable one. :(
It is very rare that I disagree with you - and I agree with your description of how many retail internet warehouses are run - but I disagree that a company like BB should allow for such poor quality control and customer experience to be part of its intrinsic internet client experience.

Today, companies' reputations / branding is impacted by their customers' internet experiences and it is, IMHO, unacceptable for a company to have a lower quality experience online versus in the store. Or if they do, then it is the company's fault - and they should take a hit to their reputation - not the customer's fault for not lowering his or her expectations because they purchased online.

I have had very good BB on-line experience, but being a member of AAAC, I think I might just have been very lucky as so many bad BB online / shipping stories pop up.

A company that gets it right is J.Crew. The on-line service line is staffed with people who are incredibly knowledgable (for example, they have or will quickly get you detailed measurement, etc.), helpful and empowered to make judgement calls. Also, the website and emails they send keep you up on your order status in a timely and effective way. Finally, I have ordered a lot from them and can only remember one issue - which they went out of their way to fix (and did).

That is, IMHO, simply how it has to be today - companies don't have a choice. Online has to match the in-store experience in every way possible recognizing the limits of virtual versus brick and mortar.
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It is very rare that I disagree with you - and I agree with your description of how many retail internet warehouses are run - but I disagree that a company like BB should allow for such poor quality control and customer experience to be part of its intrinsic internet client experience.

Today, companies' reputations / branding is impacted by their customers' internet experiences and it is, IMHO, unacceptable for a company to have a lower quality experience online versus in the store. Or if they do, then it is the company's fault - and they should take a hit to their reputation - not the customer's fault for not lowering his or her expectations because they purchased online.

I have had very good BB on-line experience, but being a member of AAAC, I think I might just have been very lucky as so many bad BB online / shipping stories pop up.

A company that gets it right is J.Crew. The on-line service line is staffed with people who are incredibly knowledgable (for example, they have or will quickly get you detailed measurement, etc.), helpful and empowered to make judgement calls. Also, the website and emails they send keep you up on your order status in a timely and effective way. Finally, I have ordered a lot from them and can only remember one issue - which they went out of their way to fix (and did).

That is, IMHO, simply how it has to be today - companies don't have a choice. Online has to match the in-store experience in every way possible recognizing the limits of virtual versus brick and mortar.
I grabbed a couple of sale items over the weekend from BB online. One was an Eliot Fit Navy Chino. The package arrived today. Inside was a Hudson fit stone (or similar shade). The label indicates that the size, at least, is a match for what I ordered. I've already sent a note to customer service. I wonder if there is something in the water out there in CT.
I grabbed a couple of sale items over the weekend from BB online. One was an Eliot Fit Navy Chino. The package arrived today. Inside was a Hudson fit stone (or similar shade). The label indicates that the size, at least, is a match for what I ordered. I've already sent a note to customer service. I wonder if there is something in the water out there in CT.
They are going to have to up their online game.
I grabbed a couple of sale items over the weekend from BB. One was an Eliot Fit Navy Chino. The package arrived today. Inside was a Hudson fit stone.
Close enough.
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Close enough.
As Uncle Ralph would intone around his De Nobili, "Hey, wadayawan, ever'tink!?!?"
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As Uncle Ralph would intone around his De Nobili, "Hey, wadayawan, ever'tink!?!?"
De Nobili! That brings back some memories. I worked at a Tinder Box while going to college. We always kept them on hand for a very few customers of discriminating taste.
You know, I'd love to see the guy that this coat was intended for. A taller robust fellow with T-Rex arms?
"T-Rex," tall, robust, and with a ravenous appetite...one of the biggest and meanest of the lizard people, for sure! Member Patrick is gonna want to know this. LOL. ;)
There is a BB store in San Antonio and I have been a customer since they opened about 10 years ago. I already know a Madison 44R should have been a perfect fit, not requiring a single alteration, even sleeve length.

My little store had only one suit and a couple of sport coats in Madison so I have to order online and take advantage of the sale prices. Of the three Madison jackets I ordered one jacket was too tight to button, the other was very loose (more like a 46), the the sport coat pictured had the Herman Munster sleeves. They all arrived at on different days from different stores. I returned them all to my local store for full credit.

That's why I gave up on Brooks Brothers. In my OP, yes I was frustrated. Same Madison jacket, same size, they all fit differently. Crazy stuff because I made sure they were all USA made ( still Southwick?).
They are going to have to up their online game.
And a follow up....
I emailed customer support and a short 2 weeks later, I got an apology and a promise that the correct product was being shipped out. That package arrived today and... you guessed it... it contained the same wrong product as the first shipment.
My hypothesis is that the machine-readable product label says "navy." While any human would notice that this is most certainly NOT navy. And that there is no human oversight of the machines. One would think that after the first mistake (and a 2 week CS delay in response) someone would make darn sure the replacement order was correct. One would be wrong.
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And a follow up....
I emailed customer support and a short 2 weeks later, I got an apology and a promise that the correct product was being shipped out. That package arrived today and... you guessed it... it contained the same wrong product as the first shipment.
My hypothesis is that the machine-readable product label says "navy." While any human would notice that this is most certainly NOT navy. And that there is no human oversight of the machines. One would think that after the first mistake (and a 2 week CS delay in response) someone would make darn sure the replacement order was correct. One would be wrong.
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