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^ Sad to say that, as the campaign goes on, I find myself less and less impressed with both candidates. Although, Im sticking with John McCain at this point...at least he's consistent. Occassionally boorish but, consistent! ;)
 

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Of course, Wes Clark was right when he said that none of that qualifies McBush to be president. That's not attacking his war record, it's a simple observation of fact.

And now maybe you can tell me, what does five years in a POW camp have to do with trading in the wife who waited at home for you on a younger model, being so rich you can't remember how many houses you own, or offering up your wife for a topless (and bottomless) contest in front of a bunch of drunken bikers?
Ok, since you and Leather Man are very concerned about these critical and "grim" issues, here's my answer.

If Clark wants to claim that McCain's military record and service during war is in no way any qualification for being President, he is entitled to that opinion, as far as I'm concerned. No doubt, however, if it was Obama who had served in the US military, fought in war, was shot down, captured and tortured, Wesley and the Democrats would be singing a far, far different tune. In fact, if either Obama or Biden had even served at all in the military, you can bet that would highlighted by their campaigns.

As to the other points,

Frankly, I don't much care if McCain (or his campaign staff) brushes aside these "grim issues" with references to his service:

1. He admitted that the failure of his first marriage was nobody's fault but his. He has admitted publicly that it is his greatest moral failing. His current marriage to Cindy is going on 29 years. What else is there to say?

2. I don't care how rich he is. It's irrelevant if he owns 4 or 8 or 25 houses, or if he knows the exact number. That's only important to the media, the leftists, or those who whine about someone more successful than they. I will leave that to them to howl about.

3. Now the real burning grim issue - McCain "offering up" his wife. Of course, that's not exactly what he did, but I know you would like to spin it in the most lascivious way possible. Still, it was a certainly an ill-advised and poor attempt at humor to mention Cindy at all, partly because of people like you. Beyond that, this "issue" is just too ludicrous to address in a serious manner.
 

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It's not surprising that you're avoiding the point. The point is that a pattern has developed that whenever someone says something critical of McCain, the response from McCain's backers and toadies is to yell, "POW! POW!" until the critics back down. If you think that's a legitimate way to conduct a discussion of political issues, fine.
 

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The country's two largest financial institutions are essentially bankrupt, our infallible central bank is bailing out the financial industry and printing dollars so fast we may catch up with Zimbabwe soon, the local police have been co-opted by the federal government under the auspices of the Department of Fatherland Security and given extensive martial-law training, and we're one step away from a direct military engagement with Russia, but by all means, let's have our news media dominated by the pressing issue of whether John "Bomb Iran" McCain really meant to nominate his wife for a topless biker contest.
 

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The country's two largest financial institutions are essentially bankrupt, our infallible central bank is bailing out the financial industry and printing dollars so fast we may catch up with Zimbabwe soon, the local police have been co-opted by the federal government under the auspices of the Department of Fatherland Security and given extensive martial-law training, and we're one step away from a direct military engagement with Russia, but by all means, let's have our news media dominated by the pressing issue of whether John "Bomb Iran" McCain really meant to nominate his wife for a topless biker contest.
You know, Phinn, you really should consider joining us here in New England! The more I read of your opinions, the more convinced I become that you are a closeted member Northeastern-Liberal-Egghead-Establishment.
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^And the Obama folks would never bring up race in order to silence questions or critics.

I have no dog in this fight as I won't be voting for either one of them.
The liberal publications like New Republic have already made claims that if Obama looses it is due to racism.

As for McCain not knowing how many houses he has. First of all, they're all mostly his wife's. They maintain separate finances and file taxes separately. Some of those houses are investments. Crazy, I know, to invest in a limited resource like property.
 

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It's not surprising that you're avoiding the point. The point is that a pattern has developed that whenever someone says something critical of McCain, the response from McCain's backers and toadies is to yell, "POW! POW!" until the critics back down. If you think that's a legitimate way to conduct a discussion of political issues, fine.
All I did was answer your specific "issues" raised. And, as I said, I have no problem whatsoever, with him brushing those off in such a manner. They are meaningless.

I guess, if you have better "issues", you should have raised them instead of the fluff you used to try and make your point.
 

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Talking about houses and stripper wives is dumb. I had hoped liberals were better than that. When they bring up this trivial topics it makes them no better than conservatives. Talk about how McCain is short sighted and wants to drill for oil because he will be dead before the environmental affects happen. He doesn't care about making the world a better place for us. He just wants to be President and have some fun fighting wars and exploding stuff. Someone needs to get this guy an xbox.
 

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Talking about houses and stripper wives is dumb. I had hoped liberals were better than that. When they bring up this trivial topics it makes them no better than conservatives. Talk about how McCain is short sighted and wants to drill for oil because he will be dead before the environmental affects happen. He doesn't care about making the world a better place for us. He just wants to be President and have some fun fighting wars and exploding stuff. Someone needs to get this guy an xbox.
That is the most asinine statement I've heard in quite some time. Go back to reading New Republic, Salon and the New York Times.

First of all, name the last major oil spill.

If you're so against oil and other natural resources, I suppose you're against nuclear too. Explain to me how, without nuclear power, we will suddenly have almost all our power coming from renewable resources (which nuclear is) in the next 5 years like Mr. Obama claims will happen. It isn't feasible. Perhaps you liberals should stop your pie in the sky dreaming and face the economic realities of the world.
 

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I don't understand why conservatives are so negative. Maybe it's a genetic thing or something. I don't know I don't consider myself a real smart person. I just hear a lot of the conservatives on TV whine a lot and seem to have negative attitudes and hateful personalities. Maybe Obama won't fix any energy problems. But what's wrong with trying? I don't think oil spills are the only thing that hurts the environment. Climate change and all that jazz. Though I guess if you wake up every morning thinking today's the day the Jesus comes back then you really don't have to think about saving the planet for future generations. Death and Taxes. You're going to die and life is going to go on without you. Do the right thing and at least try to save the planet.
 

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I don't understand why conservatives are so negative. Maybe it's a genetic thing or something. I don't know I don't consider myself a real smart person. I just hear a lot of the conservatives on TV whine a lot and seem to have negative attitudes and hateful personalities. Maybe Obama won't fix any energy problems. But what's wrong with trying? I don't think oil spills are the only thing that hurts the environment. Climate change and all that jazz. Though I guess if you wake up every morning thinking today's the day the Jesus comes back then you really don't have to think about saving the planet for future generations. Death and Taxes. You're going to die and life is going to go on without you. Do the right thing and at least try to save the planet.
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You're calling conservatives negative? Its conservatives who see the good in America, lefties who seem to conjure up negatives where it doesnt even exist sometime. Or at least if its real, its not something that can be fixed by legislation or more taxes.

As for the McCain/POW thing, its seems a pretty good response to character assasinations by his opponents. I dont think anybody is claiming it a qualification, but it is a useful retort, as well as no doubt a character building experience, to Obamdi and his minions. You guys nominate a guy who has never had a real job, almost no paper trail, and barely registered on Google 9 months ago, and want to talk about resumes and qualifications.

Full disclosure: I'll probably be voting for Bob Barr

And PS: Maureen Dowd, while sometimes clever, is often factually challenged, not to mention a tiresome cougar
 

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I hate America! I want to see this crap country destroyed through taxing the super rich so it's possible for the vulgar citizens to get an education and afford life saving medicines. That's the master plan. Don't tell them I told you the truth.
 

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I don't understand why conservatives are so negative. Maybe it's a genetic thing or something. I don't know I don't consider myself a real smart person. I just hear a lot of the conservatives on TV whine a lot and seem to have negative attitudes and hateful personalities. Maybe Obama won't fix any energy problems. But what's wrong with trying? I don't think oil spills are the only thing that hurts the environment. Climate change and all that jazz. Though I guess if you wake up every morning thinking today's the day the Jesus comes back then you really don't have to think about saving the planet for future generations. Death and Taxes. You're going to die and life is going to go on without you. Do the right thing and at least try to save the planet.
I hate America! I want to see this crap country destroyed through taxing the super rich so it's possible for the vulgar citizens to get an education and afford life saving medicines. That's the master plan. Don't tell them I told you the truth.
First of all, scientists from around the world especially in the eastern hemisphere believe we're entering a period of global cooling, so I wouldn't count on global warming just yet.

I don't believe that Jesus is going to come down any day in the near future, and that is a bigoted generalization and a straw man argument at that.

Also, Obama's plan doesn't invlove taxing the super rich. It involves taxing everyone. It is foolish to believe otherwise. 90% of all capital gains filings come from people making less than $100,000 a year. I guess those people are super rich because Obama wants to raise their capital gains tax despite economic proof that the higher the tax the less revenue the government will make. Or what about this "windfall profits tax." That is the biggest crock. The government makes more money from taxes on gasoline than the oil companies do. Not including reinvestment for exploration and drilling, the oil company's profits are around 1%. Go ahead and raise the taxes on oil companies and gas will just go up. The consumer will pay the price.

Obama isn't going to try and save the world or even the country with his energy policy. It won't work. It is stupid and naive to claim "it is worth a try" when economists are in agreement that it won't. It will fail miserably. His carbon emissions cap would put our per capita emissions lower than the colonial days.

Maybe we've been watching different news, but all I see is undying praise of the messiah who is going to save us all!

If Barack Obama cares about the poor, why is it that the most he has ever donated to charity is 6% of his income? Why is it his brother lives in poverty in Africa living on 3 cents a day while he lives in a multimillion dollar home that a felon helped him buy? Obama could send his brother a dollar a month and double his standard of living.

But I guess now is the "first time in [our lives]" we can be proud of America.

Don't worry, if Obama doesn't win it is racism that did him in.
 

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What hemisphere is Kyoto in? I was kidding around but you sound serious. And if you are going to be serious then it's sad you aren't objective. It's easy agreeing with the right. Keeping it simple for the stupid perhaps. Surely a more lazy way of debating. Again I'm not going to pretend to know stuff like you. But really? Gas Prices? How can gas prices be justification for being Republican when they raise $3 a gallon during their administration? Oil profits 1%? I call BS. Link please. I don't like being that kind of douche bag but I'm going to have to ask for link on that one. Some proof. Hell I'll even take Fox News. I doubt even they would make such a preposterous claim. I don't know about Obama's brother. Maybe he likes Africa? Some people like Mississippi too believe it or not. To each their own.
 

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Not including reinvestment for exploration and drilling, the oil company's profits are around 1%.
Bah. I felt bad asking for proof I don't like doing that. So I did some searching myself. And you're wrong. Sorry. 10% profit margin. Actually it was probably just a typo. You left the 0 out.

https://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=xom

ExxonMobile is the Michael Phelps of business!

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/31/top-corporate-quarterly-earnings-of-all-time/
 

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You're right. It is so easy agreeing with economics.

Even if profit is 10%, if that is "windfall profits" why not add extra taxes to apple? They had a 33% profit. The markup on an iPhone when they came out was 150-200%.

Heck, let's just raise taxes on businesses even more! We can quickly beat out those Japanese for the coveted highest corporate tax in the world spot.

Also, who said I'm a Republican? And who said my reason for voting Republican, if in fact I do, is over gas prices?

There you go with the straw men again.
 
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