What is the quality of Stacy Adams shoes? Furthermore, where on the shoe ladder does it fall. Comments appreciated.
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If I may ask what shoes were once popular among Whites constitutes ?
The term Black community was used what ever that is. I have never seen that term referred to White Americans.
Sterotype: A person ,group , event , or issue considered to typity or conform to an unvaring pattern or manner , lacking any individuality.
Stereotyping is negative it infers that a group or person lacks individuality. Once again what is the popular shoes among Whites.
I must ask how does one look Irish ?, German , Russian or English ?
I have been to Europe several times and maybe through my ignorance I could not tell an Englishman from an Irishman only when they spoke.
Peter O'Toole was Irish but played Englishman in most of his movies.
Today we must be careful of what we say or write , while it doesn't bother me it does others.
Someone wrote " If we can't say what we mean than how can we mean what we say "
Thanks for a wonderful forum , now lets discuss dress.
The term Black community was used what ever that is. I have never seen that term referred to White Americans.
Sterotype: A person ,group , event , or issue considered to typity or conform to an unvaring pattern or manner , lacking any individuality.
Stereotyping is negative it infers that a group or person lacks individuality. Once again what is the popular shoes among Whites.
I must ask how does one look Irish ?, German , Russian or English ?
I have been to Europe several times and maybe through my ignorance I could not tell an Englishman from an Irishman only when they spoke.
Peter O'Toole was Irish but played Englishman in most of his movies.
Today we must be careful of what we say or write , while it doesn't bother me it does others.
Someone wrote " If we can't say what we mean than how can we mean what we say "
Thanks for a wonderful forum , now lets discuss dress.
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"I'm confused (again!) about how the assertion that Stacy Adams shoes were once popular among blacks constitutes stereotyping. Can anyone clarify this for me?"
I think it was meant as a demographic not a stereotype. With what ever we buy, someone is recording who is buying it. That is just market research.
I think it was meant as a demographic not a stereotype. With what ever we buy, someone is recording who is buying it. That is just market research.
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I dont think most black folk have a problem with people talking about trends in the "black community"(well..at least I dont..but no one speaks for everyone). When those opinions come from a position of ignorence, then we have a problem.
My uncle that I refered to in an earlier post..holds Stacy Adams as a dead brand (he saw an ad in a popular magazine and refered to them as 'clownish'). His peer group ...professional African American gentlemen in their early fifties..looked at Stacey Adams up until the late seventies as THE BRAND for . My uncle currently wears Allen Edmound and until recently Johnson/Murphy.
I think its sorta sad...you have this brand that had excellent brand recognition ,a pretty respectable history, and made good shoes that has deteriorated into a low end brand.
I saw some last week at Marty's Shoe Outlet, which sells closeouts and overstocks. To me they seemed about the same as the Bostonians and Florsheims at Marty's -- corrected grain, made in Third World countries, but not the worst stuff available. The Stacy Adams I saw were wingtips.
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I've been out enjoying the holiday with my family. How did this thread about modestly priced shoes become a racial thing? Can't we focus on the "shoe-loving community?" Black, brown, cordovan and white buck unite!
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I got them in downtown Detroit at City Slicker. City Slicker is better know for it's alligator shoes (e.g mauri and mezlan). They sell more gators than any store in the county. Twice a year they have a big sale. The gators are reduced to 2 for 1. The non-gator and more traditional styled shoes like Santoni, Ferragamo, Moreschi, Gravati and Testoni's black label are greatly reduced. The traditional styled shoes come from a store located nearby called The Broadway. Both are owned by the same folks.
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Ah, white guilt gone awry....
There certainly are such things as demographics. Young white kids as a whole buy certain things, older Japanese Americans as a whole buy certain things, thirtysomething single women as a whole buy certain things...this is how the world is.
As a general rule, urban blacks of certain incomes from a certain time periods tended to buy Stacey Adams shoes. Period. These shoes -- which were far better in quality than they are today -- were available in styles, leathers, and colors which just fit in with the styles of this general demographic and of this time period. When I was selling shoes, one of my best customers -- a fifty-year-old black gentleman originally from Detroit -- waxed poetic about Stacey Adams yellow 'gator shoes. (His teenage kids, by the way, were embarassed all to heck.) He would, at one time, have fit somewhere in with what used to be called "Cadillac style." He never bought a single pair of Stacey Adams from me, by the way, but he did by Florsheim and Allen Edmonds (if I recall correctly). Does that make him a walking stereotype? No. It means he fit into a general demographic which represented many (though certainly not all) younger urban black men of his youth.
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Probably not a look that will appeal to the membership of this forum regardless of race. Well, Maybe Manton... I know he goes for that sort of thing.
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I dunno KidKim... I'm thinking that one is 180 degrees from Manton's nemesis - the black suit.
PS> I had to look up demobbed. Use small words with me.
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As a retailer(who has delt with the makers of stacy adams as well as a large population of black people)demographics is a large part of my business and as a black man who grew up in the north(Michigan)having spent half of my life in several southern states and having traveled from one coast to the next(i currently live in Washington State),i have found that blacks and non-blacks buy stacys/florshiems, but the majority of individuals that buy stacys are black.They are the number one(preferred)shoe company among the african american community, all you have to do is ask them and their direct competitors.
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I hate to continue this issue , but I have yet to read that any of the members of this forum has presented any data that supports the opinions expressed here that Black Americans perfer Stacy Adams shoes.
When Stacy Adams produced well made shoes years ago , Blacks and Whites bought them. SA no longer produces well made shoes as a result
both Whites and Blacks who are looking for well made shoes no longer buy Stacy Adams shoes.
The shoes that is popular with this forum such as Berluti , Testoni , Edward Green , Mantellassi , John Lobb etc. Are shoes that few people have heard of and even fewer buy.
The shoes named above or outstanding in quality and workmanship.
The image of a young Black man in a cheap suit and a cheaper pair of shoes pictured is the stereotype that many Black Americans would find offensive.
The data states that most American Blacks do not live in urban America , but lives in the suburban America.
Stacy Adams are cheap poorly made shoes and those Black American's that care about their appearence and value quality the same as Whites don't wear Stacy Adams shoes.
We on this forum appreciate fine dress and some of us are Black Americans. There are many Black Americans that feel the same as we do.
There are some Black Americans through ignorance , education or no interest in clothing buy Stacy Adams shoes as do some White Americans.
The members of this board has taught me a great deal about dress ,
I am a 67 year old Black American and I am still learning about clothes.
I look forward to reading your many helpful post every day.
Thanks to all of you.
When Stacy Adams produced well made shoes years ago , Blacks and Whites bought them. SA no longer produces well made shoes as a result
both Whites and Blacks who are looking for well made shoes no longer buy Stacy Adams shoes.
The shoes that is popular with this forum such as Berluti , Testoni , Edward Green , Mantellassi , John Lobb etc. Are shoes that few people have heard of and even fewer buy.
The shoes named above or outstanding in quality and workmanship.
The image of a young Black man in a cheap suit and a cheaper pair of shoes pictured is the stereotype that many Black Americans would find offensive.
The data states that most American Blacks do not live in urban America , but lives in the suburban America.
Stacy Adams are cheap poorly made shoes and those Black American's that care about their appearence and value quality the same as Whites don't wear Stacy Adams shoes.
We on this forum appreciate fine dress and some of us are Black Americans. There are many Black Americans that feel the same as we do.
There are some Black Americans through ignorance , education or no interest in clothing buy Stacy Adams shoes as do some White Americans.
The members of this board has taught me a great deal about dress ,
I am a 67 year old Black American and I am still learning about clothes.
I look forward to reading your many helpful post every day.
Thanks to all of you.
I went to the website and it looked very gangsta to me. That wouldn't stop me from looking at the shoes if they were of good contruction and priced well. That is just me, but I could see people being turned off by the website. You would never catch me in a suit like that unless it was Halloween.
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I doubt Stacy Adams is in any rush to share its sales data with us or anyone else.
Most people, regardless of race, buy clothing based on looks, not quality. There are a lot of white people, too, who wear crap (some of it expensive) because they think it looks good.
Most members of my (white) family wear cheap Florsheim shoes. A main reason is because of Florsheim's reputation for quality shoes, a reputation which is sadly gone. These people are also horrified at paying more than about $100 per pair of shoes, and some of them can certainly afford to. More expensive shoes simply aren't a part of their way of thinking. It isn't a stereotype and it isn't offensive, it's just the way most people (again, regardless of race) are. It's for this reason why so many shoe companies have gone cheap: that's what people buy.
Since you brought it up: where's your data? There are a great number of black and non-black people here, many of whom are or have been in the retail clothing business, who attest otherwise. In fact, I think you're the only one proclaiming otherwise. In fact, brugotti seems to have testimonial from SA themselves.
So no, while we haven't proven anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, our collective experience (and the extended experiences of others not present) would point to the fact that Stacy Adams shoes are purchased by a great many black men. Again, this is the very essence of demographics, a science upon which hundreds of millions of dollars are spent every year in order to find out who is buying what.
ADDENDUM: Regarding your statement about "Black American's (sic) that care about their appearence and value quality the same as Whites," I couldn't agree more. The key phrase here is not care about their appearance, but rather value quality. Customers who are interested in longevity, style, and quality in materials and workmanship don't generally buy Stacy Adams (I'm guessing indylion doesn't rely on SA as his everyday shoes). But like I said above, most people of any demographic don't fit into this category.
Okay, so much for my "white guilt" observation.
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Teacher, nice reply.
1) All I wanted to do was reply to Crazytree who stated "The brand has been hijacked by cheap pimps and dimebag drug dealers."
2) When I was in high school (Indiana) in the 60's, Americans still made very good shoes. At the top of that list were JM, some Florsheims, Nettletons, Stetsons, ET Wright, and SA. These were the EGs and Lobbs of that time period.
3) Teacher said "Most members of my (white) family wear cheap Florsheim shoes. A main reason is because of Florsheim's reputation for quality shoes, a reputation which is sadly gone. These people are also horrified at paying more than about $100 per pair of shoes, and some of them can certainly afford to. ". This was the same scenario for SA. SA past reputation is still strong in many black coumminities.
4) I had my last pair of SA in high school. Never had florsheims, didn't like the styles. I had mostly JM and Nettletons (gator loafers) until the early 70's. Around that time the Italian shoes ( gucci, martegani,mauri, etc.)hit the stores. In my circle of friends SA was finished.
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The only thing i will say (being an african american though i hate the term) is, growing up in an urban enviorment (dallas,texas) i have always noticed "sa"s at any department store usually catering for browns or blacks this is not to say that whites or any other race for that matter would never buy them but only to say that in my personal experience they were tailord for the brown/black community my father would tell me these are our alen edmonds or bruno's untill we could afford better and as of recently there clothes and shoes seem to have lost quility i believe one of the users said they look clownish and i would have to agree it would seem that they have turned their focus on the younger "hip" community be it black brown or white. i do still have a certain fondness for the shoes but the clothes are just not worth spending money on IMOP
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The Macy's in the DC Metro area are especially guilty.
Lines found in Tyson's corner are completely different than those in Wheaton and other areas.
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