[BillyB]

Aloha gentlemen.

Does anyone know of a good source for STRAIGHT end Bow Ties? Butterfly Bow Ties I find everywhere. But I am looking for a good variety of STRAIGHT END Bow Ties. I am really looking for a source other than a place like Brooks Brothers were you will only find ONE Black straight end.

I have Googled the heck out of it and even tried "Straight Edge" "No Butterfly", etc. No luck.

Mahalo!
-Billy B

 

[upr_crust]

I might suggest you contact Seigo, a pair of small shops here in NYC, which carries a wide variety of neckties of all sorts, including straight-end. Their web presence is not large, but if you Google them, you should get their phone numbers, and I am sure that they would be happy to help you. The owner is Japanese, and the staff are particular polite and helpful.

 

[Matt S]

These are called "batwing" bow ties, so do a search for that. I can recommend Sam Hober for custom bow ties:

https://www.samhober.com/

You can get a bow tie in basically any shape you want. They do many different standard shapes, including a few different batwing shapes.

 

[Peak and Pine]

Scissors.

 

[BillyB]

These are called "batwing" bow ties, so do a search for that. I can recommend Sam Hober for custom bow ties:

https://www.samhober.com/

You can get a bow tie in basically any shape you want. They do many different standard shapes, including a few different batwing shapes.

Thank you!

I personally think Batwing are a tad thicker on the edges than a true straight end. To me a Batwing is more of a "French" Bowtie with a bit more "fullness" and a slightly flared end, whereas the straight end ties are even more reserved and are tape measure straight right to the end.

But we are probably splitting hairs, and I don't want to do that. I genuinely appreciate your help, so as we say in Hawaii, MAHALO! I will check out samhober.

 

[BillyB]

I might suggest you contact Seigo, a pair of small shops here in NYC, which carries a wide variety of neckties of all sorts, including straight-end. Their web presence is not large, but if you Google them, you should get their phone numbers, and I am sure that they would be happy to help you. The owner is Japanese, and the staff are particular polite and helpful.

Many thanks indeed! Mahalo for the help!

I found their website. It looks promising. And if they don't ship, it's time I sanctioned a trip to the Big Apple anyway this coming summer. I'll look forward to visiting them in person.

 

[Matt S]

Thank you!

I personally think Batwing are a tad thicker on the edges than a true straight end. To me a Batwing is more of a "French" Bowtie with a bit more "fullness" and a slightly flared end, whereas the straight end ties are even more reserved and are tape measure straight right to the end.

But we are probably splitting hairs, and I don't want to do that. I genuinely appreciate your help, so as we say in Hawaii, MAHALO! I will check out samhober.

Glad I could help!

Batwing usually means the ends are completely straight, like a cricket bat. I have on occasion seen people call a diamond point bow tie a "batwing", but that is generally not what it means.

Is the French shape you're referring to the style Charvet makes? That is a modified batwing with a tiny bit of contouring. It is not at all a standard type of batwing.

Tie expert Sam Hober shows all the basic bow tie shapes here: https://www.samhober.com/a/bowties/

They do not offer the Charvet style as a standard style.

 

[BillyB]

Glad I could help!

Batwing usually means the ends are completely straight, like a cricket bat. I have on occasion seen people call a diamond point bow tie a "batwing", but that is generally not what it means.

Is the French shape you're referring to the style Charvet makes? That is a modified batwing with a tiny bit of contouring. It is not at all a standard type of batwing.

Tie expert Sam Hober shows all the basic bow tie shapes here: https://www.samhober.com/a/bowties/

They do not offer the Charvet style as a standard style.

I have probably (all these years) had a misconception in my mind. Years ago I saw so-called "Batwing" bow ties and the ends were slightly flared. They were advertised as Batwing. When tied, they indeed looked like the Charvet style. To me that's a "French" look. Certainly, I am no expert with bow ties, so I just took this as fact. In my mind, I had Butterfly, Batwing, Diamond Point and Straight as the four major styles. What I saw advertised as Batwing was probably a Batwing-Butterfly, and that set the misconception in motion.

Thanks for the LINK! Glad to have this cleared up a bit more. Thanks again.

 

[Matt S]

I have probably (all these years) had a misconception in my mind. Years ago I saw so-called "Batwing" bow ties and the ends were slightly flared. They were advertised as Batwing. When tied, they indeed looked like the Charvet style. To me that's a "French" look. Certainly, I am no expert with bow ties, so I just took this as fact. In my mind, I had Butterfly, Batwing, Diamond Point and Straight as the four major styles. What I saw advertised as Batwing was probably a Batwing-Butterfly, and that set the misconception in motion.

Thanks for the LINK! Glad to have this cleared up a bit more. Thanks again.

Glad to have cleared it up!

To complicate matters, butterfly and batwing bow ties can both be pointed.

After looking more into batwing bow ties, Drakes calls their pointed butterfly bow tie a "batwing" and calls their straight bow tie a "square end". That's not the usual terminology, but ultimately people call anything whatever they want to.

 

[TweedyDon]

I have several vintage ones available--PM me!

 

[suitman19]

Have you ever tried Carrot & Gibbs??

They make a wide variety of bows.

 

[BillyB]

Have you ever tried Carrot & Gibbs??

They make a wide variety of bows.

I have not. THANK YOU for the guidance!
Mahalo!

 

[BillyB]

Glad to have cleared it up!

To complicate matters, butterfly and batwing bow ties can both be pointed.

After looking more into batwing bow ties, Drakes calls their pointed butterfly bow tie a "batwing" and calls their straight bow tie a "square end". That's not the usual terminology, but ultimately people call anything whatever they want to.

Mahalo.

I think that because Bow Ties are still not quite in the full limelight of fashion, that there is some non-standard terms being used. I have seen a few sources and some internet web pages describing bow ties and they don't always agree. I have also seen, as I posted earlier, Batwing ties shown with a bit of flair but advertised as simply Batwing. I had assumed that they flared a bit like a Bat's Wing, not like a Cricket Bat as you stated, so the confusion only mounted. I have also seen STRAIGHT end bow ties listed just as that, Straight end.

I do like the look of a Butterfly Batwing because of the SLIGHT flair on the end. I think it gives the tie a pleasant look when worn. Of course, you body type and the style YOU prefer makes a difference. I used to live in Paris and I have seen some gentlemen there sport this kind of tie, with a slight flair out on the bow, but not a full butterfly by any means. As I say, if the Bow Tie was as popular as the standard necktie, we'd probably have more standardization in how they are classified.

So this thread has been very educational for me.

Sorry to ramble, but the PRIMARY reason I am a fan of Bow Ties (now) is because of the DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN'S RIDE.
This is a yearly VINTAGE and CLASSIC motorcycle rally and ride to benefit men's prostate cancer research and men's suicide prevention. I have a very classic 1982 Honda GL-500 Interstate that I ride each year to help raise money for this worthy cause. The THEME of this ride is Classic Vintage Motorcycles and WELL DRESSED Men. You must have both. You can't show up on a 2018 Kawasaki Ninja and wear leathers. We dress in our best and ride our vintage machines. A Bow Tie is perfect for a well dressed man on a vintage motorcycle, as a long necktie in the wind may not be prudent. And the rest, as they say, is history. Now I am a Bow Tie fan!

 

[BillyB]

The DGR - "Distinguished Gentleman's Ride" that was my inspiration and started my passion for Bow Ties. A venue for gentlemen to dress up and ride classic and vintage machines for the benefit of Prostate Cancer Research and Men's Suicide Prevention. Although you certainly CAN wear a long neck tie tucked in, a Bow Tie is much more suiting for riding in your finest on a vintage machine out in the wind .... In My Opinion.

 

[derum]

The DGR - "Distinguished Gentleman's Ride" that was my inspiration and started my passion for Bow Ties. A venue for gentlemen to dress up and ride classic and vintage machines for the benefit of Prostate Cancer Research and Men's Suicide Prevention. Although you certainly CAN wear a long neck tie tucked in, a Bow Tie is much for suiting for riding in your finest on a vintage machine.... In My Opinion.

I have ridden in a couple of DG events and worn a cravat. Great days out, great people, bikes, and causes.

 

[BillyB]

I have ridden in a couple of DG events and worn a cravat. Great days out, great people, bikes, and causes.

Absolutely. I have ridden in five. Good choice on the cravat. I may do that one of these years.

We had an awesome time a few years ago in Honolulu. And we made a great video of our ride as a wrap-up. We made use of emerging Drone technology, and the wrap-up video really looks good because of it. Although some of the wrap-up videos from Rome, London, and Paris also look amazing. But, for a small Island chain, we did pretty good;

 

[Sam Hober]

Billy,

I used to live in Manoa a long time ago and I love Hawaii.

Send me an email if you want to talk about French style bow ties we will add it to our Bow tie page to make it easier to order.

Once I was walking in Paris and I saw a guy wearing a great looking bow tie that had no interlining. I loved the look but rarely see it outside of Paris.

 

[BillyB]

Billy,

I used to live in Manoa a long time ago and I love Hawaii.

Send me an email if you want to talk about French style bow ties we will add it to our Bow tie page to make it easier to order.

Once I was walking in Paris and I saw a guy wearing a great looking bow tie that had no interlining. I loved the look but rarely see it outside of Paris.

Mahalo David! Yes, I will send you an email.

My home is on Oahu, as I prefer having a large city to go to for culture and dining opportunities. Honolulu/Waikiki offers that. The island is very crowded, but in 40 minutes by plane I can be on the Big Island and have all the space I want.

I love the French Bow Tie look. I'd really enjoy wearing that fashion. It would look great in Honolulu although as you know our primary look is "Aloha Wear" that consists of dress trousers and a Hawaiian shirt open collar. Yet a few of us do wear sport jackets and dress shirts on occasion. Especially in the winter months.

Aloha!