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A disappointment, but hardly a surprise. By many accounts he has been expected to endorse Obama for more than a few months.

Let's be honest. He's more liberal than conservative, and his endorsement naturally follows his feelings.

Will likely influence some independents, which is a too bad.
 

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Will likely influence some independents, which is a too bad.
I guess that depends on who you're backing for POTUS!:icon_smile_big:

Seriously, this doesn't surprise me if you consider how poorly Powell was treated by the neo-cons in the Bush administration. Though I feel Powell is a honorble man with deep convictions, his endorsement of Obama does have an air of "gotcha" to it...but that's just my opinion.

Like WFB Jr., I think Powell's endorsement represents...maybe only to some minor extent...the frustrations of a lot of moderates. That told, I have never been convinced endorsements by celebrities and politicians really help all that much.
 

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Powell on the false claims that Obama is a socialist:

The message this week is that we're going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama's now a socialist because he dares to suggest that we ought to look at the tax structure that we have.

Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to the people who paid them, in roads, and airports, and hospitals, and schools, and taxes are necessary for the common good, and there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is, and who should be paying more or who should be paying less, and for us to say that that makes you a socialist is I think an unfortunate characterization that isn't accurate.
 

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Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to the people who paid them, in roads, and airports, and hospitals, and schools, and taxes are necessary for the common good, and there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is, and who should be paying more or who should be paying less, and for us to say that that makes you a socialist is I think an unfortunate characterization that isn't accurate.
Off thread...that reminds me of something my brother once said about infastructure and lower/no tax crowd: "Sure, I'd like lower taxes. I'd also like to lose wait by eating nothing but ice cream, but it ain't gonna happen."
 

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Powell on the false claims that Obama is a socialist:

The message this week is that we're going to call him a socialist. Mr. Obama's now a socialist because he dares to suggest that we ought to look at the tax structure that we have.

Taxes are always a redistribution of money. Most of the taxes that are redistributed go back to the people who paid them, in roads, and airports, and hospitals, and schools, and taxes are necessary for the common good, and there's nothing wrong with examining what our tax structure is, and who should be paying more or who should be paying less, and for us to say that that makes you a socialist is I think an unfortunate characterization that isn't accurate.
The endorsement for Obama is a disappointment for me, but nothing any did not see coming for some time now. I think the biggest effect though, will be psychological on the McCain camp.

This quote shows Powell would have made a good politician. He obviously can mix enough truth to be convincing, while skirting the true issue and making the incorrect conclusion. I agree, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with examining the tax structure, and that taxes are needed for society to function. However, when you have stated you will raise taxes in a way to cause dead weight loss, but you plan to do it anyways out of "fairness," you lose the ability to say the reason you are doing this is to benefit society. We all know taxation that causes a large amount of dead weight loss on purpose is not done to benefit society, will not benefit society, and is likely to negatively effect the very people you proclaim to want to help.

Also, while poor JtP is currently having a media anal exam, he did get Obama to summarize his tax philosophy. "Spreading the wealth around." Certainly a much more leftward tax policy than many I can think of. And no matter what anyone tries to tell me, if you are paying $0.00 and you get a "refund"? That is welfare.
 

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Who cares? Powell is a has-been.
Powell, a has-been. Perhaps but, at one point Colin Powell could have waltzed right into the Oval office, but for his choosing to not do so and now we have One, who never was (or perhaps those of us who never were), judging him. By god, this must be the asylum...called America! ;)

PS: Should I choose not vote for McCain, it will be because of the slovenly, drag it through the mud, manner in which his campaign has been run!
 

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I've heard little of possible cabinet choices from Obama. He needs to balance diversity with competence. Powell; military,republican and oh hey and he's black!
He may not want to clean up the Cheney/Rumsfeldt mess though, Harry Belefonte him a derogatory name for a antibellum house servant.
 

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Powell endorsed Obama? I'm shocked. Guess I'll change my mind and vote for a Marxist with tendencies to support Radical Islam who is socially and politically indebted to an entire matrix of people who have one thing in common -- hatred of America.

Carlos the Jackal wrote in "Radical Isalm" that only a coalition of Marxists and Islam could destroy America. Well, looks like the democrats found HIM!
 

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In years to come some former Bush appointees, particularly those in the foreign policy arena, will be in a hot and public pursuit of rehabilitating their image. Powell will probably be the biggest one. He's a human being and concerned about righting whatever wrong he may have had a hand in.

In a way he'll become like a John Dean or David Gergen, former Nixonites who have spent nearly the last 30 years looking at every political decision through the prism of Watergate with a media just salivating and hanging on every word in an effort to make the Bush administration look as bad as possible.
 

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Powell endorsed Obama? I'm shocked. Guess I'll change my mind and vote for a Marxist with tendencies to support Radical Islam who is socially and politically indebted to an entire matrix of people who have one thing in common -- hatred of America.

Carlos the Jackal wrote in "Radical Isalm" that only a coalition of Marxists and Islam could destroy America. Well, looks like the democrats found HIM!
Just what are you planning to do when "a Marxist with tendencies to support Radical Islam who is socially and politically indebted to an entire matrix of people who have one thing in common -- hatred of America," takes command of the executive branch of the national government? Move? Mobilize the armed militia? Rant? Complain?

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Just what are you planning to do when "a Marxist with tendencies to support Radical Islam who is socially and politically indebted to an entire matrix of people who have one thing in common -- hatred of America," takes command of the executive branch of the national government? Move? Mobilize the armed militia? Rant? Complain?

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Maybe all of the above.

Of course, that's never going to happen. I've never seen a presidential candidate who is a "Marxist with tendencies to support Radical Islam . . ." and I doubt that we ever will.
 

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Powell, a has-been. Perhaps but, at one point Colin Powell could have waltzed right into the Oval office, but for his choosing to not do so....
Unfortunately for many, he never had any real chance of that office or any choice in the matter due to associations that fell athwart history. In the upper levels of the Defense Department one always has mentors and proteges. Powell's mentor was Cap Weinberger who had to be given a Presidential pardon to stay out of what would have been very, very nasty legal proceedings concerning Iran-Contra against him and his top associates, which included Powell. Mr. Powell has every chance of being appointed to something but little chance of surving any kind of election with its zealous scrutiny of every facet of one's life.
 

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Powell endorsed Obama? I'm shocked. Guess I'll change my mind and vote for a Marxist with tendencies to support Radical Islam who is socially and politically indebted to an entire matrix of people who have one thing in common -- hatred of America.

Carlos the Jackal wrote in "Radical Isalm" that only a coalition of Marxists and Islam could destroy America. Well, looks like the democrats found HIM!
That's a pretty ridiculous assertion since Marxism is inherently anti-religious. Also, believe it or not (I'm guessing you'll do the latter), Muslims aren't out there to 'destroy America'.
 
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