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Bachrach, Barney's and others are showing a lot of two button SB peaked lapel suits and sport coats.

Are we in a bourgeoning trend?
 

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Bachrach, Barney's and others are showing a lot of two button SB peaked lapel suits and sport coats.

Are we in a bourgeoning trend?
I saw some at Neiman-Marcus today too.

Someone disagreed with my assessment that double vents are considered by some to be a subtle signal that the wearer has a particular interest in how his clothes look (since this style usually must be hunted down), but I'm going to make the same assertion about single-breasted peak lapels. They're very hard to find unless you order them specifically, so people associate them with quality.

This reminds me of the way new computer equipment will change colors - for a few years the cheap pieces are black and the high-end ones are silver, then the cheap ones start coming out in silver and the high-end ones switch to brushed aluminum. The cheap ones always follow the trend of the more expensive ones.
 

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I'm going to make the same assertion about single-breasted peak lapels. They're very hard to find unless you order them specifically, so people associate them with quality.
That's sort of like what someone else said when he said that he didn't wear non-iron shirts because people associated the wrinkles in his shirt with quality.

While you and the typical person posting in this forum might make these associations, I don't really think that most people would. Most people just don't give that much thought to things like this.

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While you and the typical person posting in this forum might make these associations, I don't really think that most people would. Most people just don't give that much thought to things like this.
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But that's who they're doing it for - when you drive a Corvette, everyone knows it's expensive and powerful. But when you have some ideosyncrasy built into your clothes, only the few who care will know and appreciate it.

I don't do this. I get double vents because they're more flattering, and I haven't done any single-breasted peak lapels except for my tuxedo.
 

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While you and the typical person posting in this forum might make these associations, I don't really think that most people would. Most people just don't give that much thought to things like this.
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When you purchase anything is because you like it and want to own it. Just because most of the people don't give much thought its NOMB:icon_smile_wink:. If you want to look like the most you might as well wear your flip flops, etc etc etc so you can blend in with the crowd.:icon_smile_big:
 

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When you purchase anything is because you like it and want to own it. Just because most of the people don't give much thought its NOMB. If you want to look like the most you might as well wear your flip flops, etc etc etc so you can blend in with the crowd.
None of that really has anything to do with my post though. I was simply responding to what one person said about people associating peak lapels with quality. I don't think that most people do this and for those that do I suspect that they can identify the quality of the suit regardless of the type lapels it has. Whether or not the wearer of the suit cares what they think is a different question entirely, although in this case the wearer must care because that was the point of his post.

And as for looking like everyone else and blending in with the crowd, if that is a bad thing why do so many people here want to crucify anyone who even suggests wearing something a little different than the official uniform (long tie, four button jacket, colorful vest, for example) to a black tie affair. It almost looks like blending in and looking like everyone else is a good thing if you agree with the crowd and a bad thing if you don't. In politics that is referred to as something being good or bad depending on who's ox is being gored. :icon_smile_big:

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The "fashion" industry is based in creating obsolescence. It is aimed at those who are not secure enough to wear what they like. They want to wear what is "in". This is why lapel widths, and details- such as vents, pockets, etc., change as frequently as they do. Additionally, lower end makers copy details that are perceived to mean "quality". The fact that peak lapels have been pretty exclusively on suits that were bespoke or MTM made that an easy target for the ready to wear makers. Today some of the least costly "off shore" garments have open button holes on the sleeves. When Winston Tailors ( Chipp) was in the ready made business, we had ranges of suits on the rack with Peak lapels. They were high end- made by The Norman Hilton Company-RIP. I feel safe in predicting that if peak lapels become "in" it will only be for a season.
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They're not a recent thing, are they? I know SB peaks go back to at least Anthony Eden, if not even farther back(I only know this from the Flusser book.) But yes, they seem to be back in fashion at the moment.

As for double vents, I noticed them ever since I was 19, and really wanted a suit with them. Alas, at the time, everything on the rack was ventless, and that's all I could afford. These days, even some of the lowest end suits I see at Burlington's have double vents, so it had really improved in that aspect.
 

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I just ordered a peak lapel suit today, but already have a couple of others.

Peak lapels may come and go in popular fashion, but they're unlikely to disappear from menswear altogether. As long as you wear them well, you'll always find a place for them in your wardrobe I think!
 

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The "fashion" industry is based in creating obsolescence. It is aimed at those who are not secure enough to wear what they like. They want to wear what is "in". This is why lapel widths, and details- such as vents, pockets, etc., change as frequently as they do. Additionally, lower end makers copy details that are perceived to mean "quality". The fact that peak lapels have been pretty exclusively on suits that were bespoke or MTM made that an easy target for the ready to wear makers. Today some of the least costly "off shore" garments have open button holes on the sleeves. When Winston Tailors ( Chipp) was in the ready made business, we had ranges of suits on the rack with Peak lapels. They were high end- made by The Norman Hilton Company-RIP. I feel safe in predicting that if peak lapels become "in" it will only be for a season.
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www.chipp2.com
Your mention of Norman Hilton brings back fond memories. I have a couple of SB peak lapel suits from my tailor 15+ years ago. I find there are things I like, and things I don't, and they have changed little over the last 40 years, or so. SB peak lapels for a little variety, or side vents on other than more casual suits are things I like. But I agree entirely with your observations regarding the planned obsolesence of fashion, which is one of the reasons I largely ignore it.

IMO, peak lapels on a SB suit shouldn't be cut exactly as they might on a DB. To my eye, somewhat narrower versions with a slightly upward angled point tend to be better balanced. I don't like many/most of the RTW versions I've seen this go-around.
 

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I believe the new trend in SB 2 button peak lapeled suits is influenced somewhat by Daniel Craig's look in Casino Royale. I remember seeing a Kilgour suit he wore that was in exactly this style.

The two side vents have always been my choice. You see it more in Italian or Italian-inspired designs. I have a beautiful Zegna suit in this style. The vents allow a greater range of motion (ie putting your hands in your pockets...though I don't recommend making a habit of it) and are typically more flattering. If you have a big arse, however, you shouldn't wear them.
 

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V-eeerrry interesting . . .

The peaked lapels emphasize the v shape of a man's torso, real or imaginary, so when designed and tailored well I don't see them looking bad on most people.
. . . with apologies to Arte Johnson.

Yes, I agree. That would be particularly true for body builders, as they already have that shape, and the necessarily wider lapel of a peaked version would fill in the shoulder to gorge space that a person with wide shoulders would have.
 

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The 2-button peak is an extremely flattering model in my opinion, and we plan to offer one in a few months. Not sure if anyone here subscribes to Best Life magazine (my personal favorite), but there was a spread of several pages featuring the 2Butt/Peak in a recent issue. I think they look great, and while they may very well be a current and growing trend which inevitably will subside in a year or two, I personally hope they will hang around for a while...
 
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