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I personally prefer the look of Oxfords vs Derby dress shoes. I rarely wear suits but daily wear a business casual outfit of sport coat/odd wool trouser. Are brown/burgundy oxfords too formal for this outfit? Styles such as cap toe , perforated cap toe, or wingtip (in AE shoes -> Park Avenue, Fifth Avenue or McAllister). What about black oxfords, say with charcoal trousers?


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I'm still learning myself, but I would think you could wear the Fifth Avenue or McAllister with those outfits. The Park Avenue looks more formal, especially in black because the toe stitching is less noticeable. Brogue or more noticeable stitching appears less formal to me, but it's really what your comfortable with.
 

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Regarding oxfords -- anything brogued would be perfect, although I don't see an issue with using capped toes here.

Regarding derbys -- while I love them and wear them regularly, am I the only one who only likes plain derbys? Brogued derbys just seem too busy to me. Mine are all plain toes.
 

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Regarding oxfords -- anything brogued would be perfect, although I don't see an issue with using capped toes here.

Regarding derbys -- while I love them and wear them regularly, am I the only one who only likes plain derbys? Brogued derbys just seem too busy to me. Mine are all plain toes.
I agree. The only derbys I've owned have been plain. And I like brogues.

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IMO, the issue isn't whether the shoe has an open or closed throat, but rather if its level of formality suits the rest of what is being worn is. And, I find more formal oxfords such as the Park Avenue and other more formal cap toes not well suited to more casual clothing.
 

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IMO, the issue isn't whether the shoe has an open or closed throat, but rather if it's level of formality suits that of what the rest being worn is. And, I find more formal oxfords such as the Park Avenue and other more formal cap toes not well suited to more casual clothing.
Spot on. I have one pair of oxfords that are really ONLY suited form smart casual wear due to materials and trim details. Open versus closed lacing is the first dividing criterion between dress and casual, but far from the only one.

While I can't say that I begin to understand the OP's aversion to derbies, all but the most formal of oxfords should work fine with a sport coat and dress trousers. At least he isn't asking for what oxfords to pair with jeans!

But my overall recommendation would be that the OP discover the world of smart derbies for business casual wear.
 

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IMO, the issue isn't whether the shoe has an open or closed throat, but rather if it's level of formality suits that of what the rest being worn is. And, I find more formal oxfords such as the Park Avenue and other more formal cap toes not well suited to more casual clothing.
Here are two examples of oxfords that I have. I'd love to hear your opinion.


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Here are two examples of oxfords that I have. I'd love to hear your opinion.


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Captoe oxfords (even with a bit of brogueing - aka quarter brogue) are fairly conservative shoes. Both pairs are going to do well with most suits. I probably wouldn't wear either pair with casual clothing - but now you have to define that.
 

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Captoe oxfords (even with a bit of brogueing - aka quarter brogue) are fairly conservative shoes. Both pairs are going to do well with most suits. I probably wouldn't wear either pair with casual clothing - but now you have to define that.
For me business casual is something like this. Wool trousers and sport coat.


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At least he isn't asking for what oxfords to pair with jeans!

But my overall recommendation would be that the OP discover the world of smart derbies for business casual wear.
I have learned some things from reading this forum.

I don't dislike derbies, I just like the look of oxfords much more. I've spent my whole working career up until 2 years ago in banking wearing suits, so i think work shoes have always = oxfords. I do think I should pivot to looking at some derbies. I will say your posts (and some others) have me looking for some chukkas.

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I have learned some things from reading this forum.

I don't dislike derbies, I just like the look of oxfords much more. I've spent my whole working career up until 2 years ago in banking wearing suits, so i think work shoes have always = oxfords. I do think I should pivot to looking at some derbies. I will say your posts (and some others) have me looking for some chukkas.
I wear everything I was not a fan of five years ago. Definitely don't knock it 'till you try it!
 
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