[16412]

Thanks for your reply.

About science. It really is almost entirely a bunch of theories and hypothesis which have ways of changing. None of them should ever be taken to seriously, now, then or ever. Evidence is fact. The reasoning of those facts is only around until someone else replaces the reasoning with a new reasoning. New tools and new facts means new reasoning, but rarely any real answer. Lots of blather as though they have new answers. But it is just new reasoning that will be replaced.

 

[vpkozel]

Thanks for your reply.

About science. It really is almost entirely a bunch of theories and hypothesis which have ways of changing. None of them should ever be taken to seriously, now, then or ever. Evidence is fact. The reasoning of those facts is only around until someone else replaces the reasoning with a new reasoning. New tools and new facts means new reasoning, but rarely any real answer. Lots of blather as though they have new answers. But it is just new reasoning that will be replaced.

Yes, boiled down to it, science is our best adaptation of things as we know them. And since we learn new things all the time, we should adjust our thinking.

But specifically on this topic, no one in their right mind would consider blacks as less human than any other race and the science certainly does not support it. That claim cannot be made of people in the ante or immediate post bellum phase in the US. North or South.

 

[Pentheos]

There was no way that the statues could have been erected right after the war as the Southern states were occupied until the mid 1870s. And while it is a loud, if inaccurate, refrain that the statues were erected as protests to racial equality, it is more accepted that they were the result of

The south emerging from its financial devastation of the war

The dissatisfaction with the way that they were treated during Reconstruction

The appalling way that the confederate veterans were treated by the federal government

The economic pillaging of the South by the North

The general gloating and attitude of assumed superiority by the North.

There is a school of thought - and I happen to agree with it - that the south did not recover from the Civil War until the 1950s. There was no Marshall Plan undertaken for the South.

And, like it or not, that led to some pretty bitter feelings from southerners and was a major cause of the birth of the Lost Cause movement (which I don't accept) and that was the more likely inpetus for the statues.

Exactly. The south was ruined in the war and stayed that way for a long time. Unfortunately such historical facts are unknown by today's pig-ignorant student revolutionaries -- and others. There's also the general trend in democracies not to erect monuments to one's own generation but to wait a bit before erecting them for one's father's or grandfather's -- that kind of thing. Thus, a 1868 statue for fallen confederate soldiers seem rather silly compared to one from 1938.

 

[Pentheos]

Thanks for your reply.

About science. It really is almost entirely a bunch of theories and hypothesis which have ways of changing. None of them should ever be taken to seriously, now, then or ever. Evidence is fact. The reasoning of those facts is only around until someone else replaces the reasoning with a new reasoning. New tools and new facts means new reasoning, but rarely any real answer. Lots of blather as though they have new answers. But it is just new reasoning that will be replaced.

Ah, but don't you know that global warming is settled science? Only flat-earth troglodytes would dare question anthropogenic climate change. Cold is the new hot!

 

[16412]

Yeah. Well. The earth has cooled and heated many times according to scientists, but they don't know why. This latest heating could be from one of those earlier reasons and coincidence that it happened at man's industry age. The earth could have been warmer a thousand years ago than it is today. The best speculation proves nothing with science. Some people get to spend more $. The ozone hole is getting smaller last I heard. The earth should start to get cooler now. Or, have the fat bucks scientist kicked that out because they don't want slimmer pockets? Maybe all that dirty pollution that China has been putting out has helped close the ozone. Man's ability to measure time is also very questionable. Carbon dating is just a bunch of numbers and who knows how many variables. Counting tree rings has problems. Ice layers are not reliable either. These methods have been manipulated to deceive people to believe what some people want people to believe. (Withholding truth is a handy tool for deceiving people. Its been done for centuries.) Is it really possible for mankind to cause global warming? Maybe.

settled science There are only a few scientists that have say about global warming. Of those few some don't think mankind has anything to do with global warming. It isn't the masses of scientists who are not qualified to listen to. Plus, some scientists cave into peer pressure,so now we have walked away from intelligent thinking about the subject. If you are one of the qualified that disagree with global warming from mankind you have to be very tough to stand up to your mockers, scoffers who have tried to push theory into fact. The fact is those who believe otherwise have scientific reasons for their beliefs. If you have never read or listened to what they say how can you say they are wrong?

 

[eagle2250]

Referring going back to the OP of this thread and updating same,
I read in the Yahoo news feed this AM of the more than 100 young female Olympic athletes who have reported Dr. Larry Nassar, many testifying at his trial and sentencing hearings and also claiming to have notified 14 to 20+ MSU officials over a period of more than 20 years. It seems the sole response of said MSU officials was to caution other (female) MSU employees working directly with Dr. Nassar to be careful, that Dr. Nassar was known to get a little frisky. No other recorded actions seem to have been taken and the doctor continued (uninterrupted) his employment at MSU! Where is the public outrage and widespread condemnation? :icon_scratch:

 

[SG_67]

Referring going back to the OP of this thread and updating same,
I read in the Yahoo news feed this AM of the more than 100 young female Olympic athletes who have reported Dr. Larry Nassar, many testifying at his trial and sentencing hearings and also claiming to have notified 14 to 20+ MSU officials over a period of more than 20 years. It seems the sole response of said MSU officials was to caution other (female) MSU employees working directly with Dr. Nassar to be careful, that Dr. Nassar was known to get a little frisky. No other recorded actions seem to have been taken and the doctor continued (uninterrupted) his employment at MSU! Where is the public outrage and widespread condemnation? :icon_scratch:

Unfortunately, this is the sort of thing that occurs within large bureaucracies. Individual thought and initiative are sacrificed for the sake of following routine and order. As long as the forms are signed and everything is in order then it's business as usual.

When something is amiss and noticed by someone, there's no incentive to do something about it; "that's no my department" or "that's not part of our collective bargaining agreement."

What happened here is what often happens in large organizations. Things go unnoticed because individual initiative is abrogated for the sake of the machine.

What these poor girls had to endure at the hands of this pig, I cannot imagine. At least he's gone now and perhaps there will be more oversight this time. Personally I refuse to see minors in my practice unless a parent or a guardian is present during the examination. A policy like this will go a long way in tamping down some of the fears of this sort of thing happening again.

 

[eagle2250]

Tell that to Joe Paterno's family, former PSU President Graham Spanier, former Athletic PSU Athletic Director Tim Curley, and former PSU Vice President for Finance Gary Shultz; the first having a college sports Icon's legacy destroyed and taken from them, and the remaining three first removed from their university positions and then facing criminal charges and eventual convictions resulting from their alleged failure to sufficiently act on Sandusky's similarly egregious actions, with Dr. Nassar's offenses. PSU continues to endure the public outrage, but where is such (even initial) outrage against MSU and it's questionable response to this present equally or perhaps even more extremely sordid affair? Indeed, we do seem to have a double standard of expected behavior in play here!

PS: As the victim statements continue at Dr. Nassar's sentencing hearing and victim after victim has voiced concerns regarding the virtual total lack of corrective action on MSU's part, the calls for the University President's removal seem to be gaining some traction. Hmmm?

 

[Mr. B. Scott Robinson]

Looks like Las Vegas casino owners are the next men who must be held to a higher standard of behavior.

Who would ever think that a casino owner might be sleazy?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dozens...duct-by-las-vegas-mogul-steve-wynn-1516985953

Cheers,

BSR

 

[Shaver]

I saw this chap, Larry Nassar, on the news. Some blubbing girl trotting out cliches requested that he apologised.

And he did.

What is wrong with people nowadays? When asked to apologise for having done something one enjoyed, no matter how naughty it may have been, there really should be just one response.

 

[Shaver]

Looks like Las Vegas casino owners are the next men who must be held to a higher standard of behavior.

Who would ever think that a casino owner might be sleazy?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dozens...duct-by-las-vegas-mogul-steve-wynn-1516985953

Cheers,

BSR

We have had a hilarious non story in England this week. Prostitutes - sorry 'hostesses' - paid to dress like tarts at a men only booze up in the Dorchester have been moaning that they were subjected to sexist behaviour.

Lap dancers and strippers are expected to express similar claims anon.

 

[Mr. B. Scott Robinson]

We have had a hilarious non story in England this week. Prostitutes - sorry 'hostesses' - paid to dress like tarts at a men only booze up in the Dorchester have been moaning that they were subjected to sexist behaviour.

Lap dancers and strippers are expected to express similar claims anon.

I have been following the Financial Times story. One of the best critiques I read stated that the author and her undercover accomplice knew exactly the reputation of the event and their expression of shock and tears afterward were patently dishonest.

Absolutely ridiculous. I can't wait to read a follow on article written by a male stripper made to feel like a piece of meat by the birds at a hen party.

Cheers,

BSR

 

[Shaver]

One of the prostitutes - sorry 'hostesses' - was interviewed on the news. I am ever willing to judge a book by its cover and the phrase 'clapped out whore' sprang readily to my mind.

 

[vpkozel]

I saw this chap, Larry Nassar, on the news. Some blubbing girl trotting out cliches requested that he apologised.

And he did.

What is wrong with people nowadays? When asked to apologise for having done something one enjoyed, no matter how naughty it may have been, there really should be just one response.

He was a doctor who molested hundreds of little girls. Probably not the best person to use as yiur test case....

 

[Shaver]

He was a doctor who molested hundreds of little girls. Probably not the best person to use as yiur test case....

I know who he is. The point remains - these apologies are as worthless as they are latterly de rigueur.

 

[SG_67]

I know who he is. The point remains - these apologies are as worthless as they are latterly de rigueur.

I caught sight of another former US female gymnast the other night being interviewed. She denies having been sexually assaulted by this person, but does go on to say that her training in the Karolyi system was abusive. She was subjected to being called chubby and told to compete through pain.

A young lady who has written a book and no doubt has traded well off the fact that she is a gold medal Olympian.

This is getting out of control. I'm beginning to think that Bridget Bardot and Catherine Deneuve are the only ones thinking clearly.

 

[Shaver]

Deneuve was also obliged to apologise.

Greer too.

 

[SG_67]

Deneuve was also obliged to apologise.

If that's the case, it's really too bad.

 

[vpkozel]

I know who he is. The point remains - these apologies are as worthless as they are latterly de rigueur.

What 2 consenting adults do is fine. But child molestation is most definitely something that is not OK.

Just curiously, is there anything you feel requires an apology?

 

[Shaver]

What 2 consenting adults do is fine. But child molestation is most definitely something that is not OK.

Just curiously, is there anything you feel requires an apology?

My apologies, it would seem that I am not making myself clear.

An apology may be offered not demanded.