[JLibourel]

I just heard on the radio and saw online that the Los Angeles City Council voted 13-1 to ban all fur sales (with a few exceptions) in that City, urged on by the fanatics of PETA. Hats were specifically included among the banned items. I have to wonder if the city council were aware that virtually every good quality hat (men's hats, anyway) is made from fur felt. Cowboys, country singers and others will have too look elsewhere, I guess.

I should think religious freedom issues might be at stake here. There are those Torah-true Jews who wear those splendid fur hats, and I believe all observant Orthodox Jews are supposed to wear hats, at least outside. I hope they do raise a stink about it.

I suppose my hometown of Long Beach will follow suit, given the composition of our city council.

If I were a younger man, I would be strongly tempted to bail from California and move back to the good ol' USA.

 

[StephenRG]

There are those Torah-true Jews who wear those splendid fur hats, and I believe all observant Orthodox Jews are supposed to wear hats, at least outside.

The requirement to have the head covered is not to be found in the Torah - it's a rabbinical prohibition. Nor is the type of covering specified to be a hat. The fur hats - shtreimels - are customary amongst some Orthodox groups, but they're not a requirement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtreimel

Arguably if the fur is acquired by causing suffering to the animal, then that should render it unfit to be worn, but I would not assume consistency in such matters.

 

[JBierly]

It's a bit of a slippery slope. The use of animal fur for protective clothing is probably as old as humanity. Perhaps the next step is banning meat.

 

[momsdoc]

Does that mean shearing coats are not acceptable? What are we to do with the skin after enjoying the Lamb Chops?

They’re farm produce. They wouldn’t exist if we weren’t going to eat them. Get over the “Top of the food chain” guilt. Kill them humanely and consume their bodies. Or give them the vote and let them decide. That’s coming from a Progressive. I draw the line at farmed species. It’s good to be King. God said so in Genesis. Are these Californians really ready to argue against the Western world’s accepted word gf God? Not a strong position.

 

[MNJ83]

If I were a younger man, I would be strongly tempted to bail from California and move back to the good ol' USA.

Do this. Don't walk, run.

 

[Oldsarge]

C'mon up to Oregon.

 

[Color 8]

It's the trend - everyone now seems to think they can scold you and tell you what to do, on matters that have nothing to do with them.

 

[Fraser Tartan]

Gaining the publicity that comes with being the "first" or "largest city" in the nation to do something is what's important for our local politicians, to further their own political careers. Whether something is actually a good idea or not is besides the point.

 

[drlivingston]

Think of all the craziness we would have to deal with if the US were a true democracy.

 

[Fraser Tartan]

I just looked at the ordinance and it has fur defined as being animal skin with hair, fleece, or fur fibers attached. Exceptions are made for cowhide with hair, and sheepskin or lambskin with fleece attached. So, no coonskin caps but a hat made from felt ought to be fine.

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We have one of these bans here too and fur is defined similarly.

 

[Kyle76]

This can’t stand up to constitutional scrutiny. I wonder how many places sell fur in LA? Seems like an unfair restriction on trade.

 

[Flanderian]

I just heard on the radio and saw online that the Los Angeles City Council voted 13-1 to ban all fur sales (with a few exceptions) in that City, urged on by the fanatics of PETA. Hats were specifically included among the banned items. I have to wonder if the city council were aware that virtually every good quality hat (men's hats, anyway) is made from fur felt. Cowboys, country singers and others will have too look elsewhere, I guess.

I should think religious freedom issues might be at stake here. There are those Torah-true Jews who wear those splendid fur hats, and I believe all observant Orthodox Jews are supposed to wear hats, at least outside. I hope they do raise a stink about it.

I suppose my hometown of Long Beach will follow suit, given the composition of our city council.

If I were a younger man, I would be strongly tempted to bail from California and move back to the good ol' USA.

Say it ain't so, Joe!

 

[SG_67]

I sort of get it.

Now that the LA City council has solved all of the other problems facing its residents, they can turn their attention to what really matters.

 

[winghus]

I sort of get it.

Now that the LA City council has solved all of the other problems facing its residents, they can turn their attention to what really matters.

I think the ban is asinine but this kind of statement is the same as "why are the police writing me a speeding ticket when there are murderers running loose?!?!"

An organization can do multiple things at once and addressing the concerns of citizens over small issues is just as important as addressing the big ones.

 

[SG_67]

I think the ban is asinine but this kind of statement is the same as "why are the police writing me a speeding ticket when there are murderers running loose?!?!"

An organization can do multiple things at once and addressing the concerns of citizens over small issues is just as important as addressing the big ones.

Do you really think that beyond a small number of advocates, most Los Angelians really wake up concerned about fur? This is virtue signaling by a collection of largely useless bureaucrats.

By the way, a speeding ticket is pursuant a violation of the law with some public safety imperative.

This is more like the police involving themselves in the administration of the public library.

Here's another example of a useless, albeit less intrusive, example:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-08-07-8602260933-story,amp.html

 

[eagle2250]

I can't help but wonder just how many furriers Los Angeles might count among her citizenry? :icon_scratch: One of my earliest forays into the work force was as a furriers apprentice!

 

[SG_67]

I guess we will have to arrest her!

 

[ChrisRS]

I guess we will have to arrest her!

Now to be fair, they are banning sales, not the wearing of. PETA and it's buckets of red paint will handle those rascals that are bold enough to actually wear fur.

I do smell a business opportunity on the edge of town though. Same business model as fireworks stores just across state lines.

 

[Flanderian]

I guess we will have to arrest her!

Good!

And when you do, I'll lock her up for you! :icon_saint7kg:

 

[paxonus]

It looks like the ban is restricted to animals that are used only for their fur, and the meat is not used for human consumption. Is that correct, or is the meat of beaver, mink, etc. actually consumed?