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It's a suit jacket. Swap out the buttons and it will still look like a suit jacket.

Folks who wear banana republic don't really care or know the difference.

I think you can do better. J Crew has more to offer in the same price range.
I don't see how that fabric will ever look like anything but a suit jacket.
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Thanks I'll avoid it.

Also I'll try to reuse this thread in future - hopefully that will work out for me & other n00bs.
Hope it might have been helpful.

And I appreciate that you're being considerate contemplating reusing the thread, but my personal feeling is that if you wish to ask about similar items in the future, you might be more successful starting a new thread. FWIW.
 

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A solid grey worsted jacket is just *too suity* to be used as a separate. Even if you pair it with pattern trousers, shirts, or whatnot it still looks like a half of a suit.

That does not mean it cannot be worn but you are just constantly reminded that it was part of a suit.

If you want a sport coat or odd jackets in grey color, you need to find something with a pattern that is identifiable in near and far distances to make it not looks like a suit jacket.
 

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Would a sold gray coat with with patch pockets work as a blazer/sports coat? Assuming the fabric was a touch "rougher" than smooth worsted wool, I'd guess yes. Hardwick used to make one: .But curious about the opinions of the esteemed members....
 

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Would a sold gray coat with with patch pockets work as a blazer/sports coat? Assuming the fabric was a touch "rougher" than smooth worsted wool, I'd guess yes. Hardwick used to make one: .But curious about the opinions of the esteemed members....
IMO this jacket serves as a sport coat by these features: swelled edge at lapels, patch hip pockets and rough texture. I would hesitant to call it a "blazer" here as that term is narrowly defined in online menswear fora.
 

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IMO this jacket serves as a sport coat by these features: swelled edge at lapels, patch hip pockets and rough texture. I would hesitant to call it a "blazer" here as that term is narrowly defined in online menswear fora.
What makes it work is the material. It's a relaxed fabric with a lot of texture. Even in mid grey it works. Swelled edges and patch pockets are nice touches, but they can also be found on suits. Patch pockets are very popular on worsted wool suits today, no matter how out of place they look.
 

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What makes it work is the material. It's a relaxed fabric with a lot of texture. Even in mid grey it works. Swelled edges and patch pockets are nice touches, but they can also be found on suits. Patch pockets are very popular on worsted wool suits today, no matter how out of place they look.
OK, at least we agree on the fabric that makes it a sports coat.

Patch pockets are traditionally associated with sports jackets, although with the current trend you can see that done in suits. I do not understand the appeals of casualizing a suit with patch pockets, but it is there.

Now, swelled edges are definitely a feature reserved for sports coat/blazer. I remembered that this feature was narrowly defined as one of the *must-have* feature of a blazer. A sports coat/odd jacket may or may not have this feature, but having this makes it a sports coat.

And don't confuse that with pick stitching.

Now, can you find me an example of a suit jacket with both swelled edge and patch pocket? You claimed that there is such a thing, but I am curious where you get the idea that such item exists in the world.
 

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OK, at least we agree on the fabric that makes it a sports coat.

Patch pockets are traditionally associated with sports jackets, although with the current trend you can see that done in suits. I do not understand the appeals of casualizing a suit with patch pockets, but it is there.

Now, swelled edges are definitely a feature reserved for sports coat/blazer. I remembered that this feature was narrowly defined as one of the *must-have* feature of a blazer. A sports coat/odd jacket may or may not have this feature, but having this makes it a sports coat.

And don't confuse that with pick stitching.

Now, can you find me an example of a suit jacket with both swelled edge and patch pocket? You claimed that there is such a thing, but I am curious where you get the idea that such item exists in the world.
I have a three-piece corduroy suit with swelled edges and patch pockets. See Roger Moore's silk suit here with those details: https://www.bondsuits.com/light-brown-silk-suit-spy-who-loved-me/

You could find swelled edges on all kinds of suits in the 1970s. Suits with patch pockets go back even further. You can find that in 1930s Apparel Arts illustrations. Swelled edges are great on sports coats and blazers, but it's just something that's nice to have and never a defining element on a garment. The only thing that truly differentiates a suit jacket for an odd jacket is the material, though some materials can make up a nice sports suit.
 

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I have a three-piece corduroy suit with swelled edges and patch pockets. See Roger Moore's silk suit here with those details: https://www.bondsuits.com/light-brown-silk-suit-spy-who-loved-me/

You could find swelled edges on all kinds of suits in the 1970s. Suits with patch pockets go back even further. You can find that in 1930s Apparel Arts illustrations. Swelled edges are great on sports coats and blazers, but it's just something that's nice to have and never a defining element on a garment. The only thing that truly differentiates a suit jacket for an odd jacket is the material, though some materials can make up a nice sports suit.
Corduroy is already a sports coat material. As long as you have the fabric, the tailor can make you any trouser from any of the *sports coat* material anyway. If, as you claimed, The only thing that truly differentiates a suit jacket for an odd jacket is the material, what is the key differentiator between a suit jacket and a sports coat jacket since the tailor can make the trousers to suit it as long as the fabric is available?

Put it this way, if I have a sports coat made by some MTM folks, there should be no problem for them the make a pair of trouser in that matching fabric to make it a suit (jacket and trouser). Then what is the differentiator of this case to make the jacket as a sports coat?
 

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Corduroy is already a sports coat material. As long as you have the fabric, the tailor can make you any trouser from any of the *sports coat* material anyway. If, as you claimed, The only thing that truly differentiates a suit jacket for an odd jacket is the material, what is the key differentiator between a suit jacket and a sports coat jacket since the tailor can make the trousers to suit it as long as the fabric is available?

Put it this way, if I have a sports coat made by some MTM folks, there should be no problem for them the make a pair of trouser in that matching fabric to make it a suit (jacket and trouser). Then what is the differentiator of this case to make the jacket as a sports coat?
There often is a problem with jacketings being made into suits. The trousers often won't hold their shape well and will bag. That's why there is a difference between suitings and jacketings.

But for those sporty materials that work as both jackets and suits, there is a difference between a sporty material that can work as just a jacket and a business or dressy material that works better in the more formal garment that is a suit. It's why a tweed jacket that has straight flap pockets and pick-stitched edges is still recgonisable as a sports coat. And it's why a plain charcoal serge jacket looks like an orphan.
 

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There often is a problem with jacketings being made into suits. The trousers often won't hold their shape well and will bag. That's why there is a difference between suitings and jacketings.
Do you have any example for that? I have seen some claims that fresco was not good for a trouser to hold a crease yet there are fresco trousers made that can hold crease. I am curious if you have any examples of fabric that are only good for jackets and not trousers.

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But for those sporty materials that work as both jackets and suits, there is a difference between a sporty material that can work as just a jacket and a business or dressy material that works better in the more formal garment that is a suit. It's why a tweed jacket that has straight flap pockets and pick-stitched edges is still recgonisable as a sports coat. And it's why a plain charcoal serge jacket looks like an orphan.
This is like jumping from one point to another point without direct line of reasoning and make your conclusion based on that. Let me explain:

First, you said this:

... there is a difference between a sporty material that can work as just a jacket and a business or dressy material that works better in the more formal garment that is a suit.

And yet there is no explanation about *that difference* between the materials of make it dressy or less, formal or less, and other characteristics to support your arguments. Yes, there are differences in materials, we know that. However, what difference? We need explanations and ideas so that we can understand what and why you say this.

Moving on, you have this:

... It's why a tweed jacket that has straight flap pockets and pick-stitched edges is still recgonisable as a sports coat.

Now, a tweed jacket is a sports coat, whether it has patch pockets or swelled edge or not. That is fine. However, that has nothing to do with what I was saying. I am saying that if a jacket has swelled edge, since this feature is typically found on a sports coat/blazer/odd jacket, this suggests that this jacket is a sports coat/blazer/odd jacket. That does not mean that a sports coat/blazer/odd jacket must have swelled edge, nor must they have patch pockets to be classified as a sports coat/blazer/odd jacket, whether they are made with a sporty or city suit materials.

If, by your definition, since tweed fabric is a sporty fabric, even though they do not have patch pockets nor swelled edge, a jacket made with tweed is a sports coat, whether you have a matching pair of trousers or not. Then, by the same token, a worsted plain weave wool is a typical suiting fabric that is reserved to be used for city suit. Now, how would you explain why a jacket, made with plain worsted plain wool - a suit fabric, that has swelled edges or patch pockets, or piping around lapels, is then called a blazer? a sporty jacket? The material is suiting material but the construction can make the jacket as a blazer, or even a sports coat with different bells and whistles attached to it.

The base material is suiting, but the end result is not a suit jacket. Can you confidently say that only the material defines whether a jacket is a sports coat or not?

Now this:

And it's why a plain charcoal serge jacket looks like an orphan.

Is the example shown here is a plain serge jacket? Are we talking about a plain grey jacket without swelled edge nor patch pocket here?

This statement is not wrong, mind you. But the application of using this statement here to support your argument is wrong here.
 
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