[aro777]

Long story short. I was with wife in thrift store. I'm not a clothes thrifter, mainly housewares, but I noticed these pair of shoes. Apparently, these are Church's, or made by someone for Church's. They were my size and they appear to have never been worn, so this is a super score.

The whole Made for Church's New York / Beverly Hills thing is throwing me off as Church's are English. Any know if these are knockoffs? They appear to be a very well handmade pair of shoes regardless. Google searches are really spotty on this, Hoping someone can lend some more info.

Thanks!

http://imgur.com/wd8fSsU

http://imgur.com/e8AvuRW

http://imgur.com/QhGqo6b

http://imgur.com/mG12RrN

Possible water damage, will probably buff out

http://imgur.com/RUGjCxd

 

[SG_67]

As to the authenticity and the label bearing the "Beverly Hills - New York" stamp, I found this interesting thread from AAAC dating to 2009.

https://askandyaboutclothes.com/community/threads/churchs-shoes-in-los-angeles.97329/

 

[Woofa]

FYI. There has been a recent discussion on the thrifting thread on tof regarding church’s cordovan shoes. The consensus would seem to be that not all shoes marked cordovan are what we now consider shell cordovan. I don’t know that we came to any conclusions but I have read elsewhere that churches did not make much shell shoes and a look at these pictures seems a little questionable. As new they don’t have much roll yet but I don’t see the customary rise around the eyelets I am used to on Alden shell.
Perhaps others here more knowledgeable can chime in. Either way that is a beautiful pair of new shoes and a great find.

 

[aro777]

Most certainly real in my opinion.

Re Supposed Water Damage: Looks like a couple of things going on to my eye...

1) Cordovan wax "bloom"

2) Mildew/mold damage. Is that dust or mold on the laces and along the welt?

3) Possible damage from being stored tight against the other shoe? Some faint scratches visible under high magnification support this theory.

First, Google "Mac Method" AND cordovan. Study closely.

I'd then suggust that you first brush them vigorously with a horse hair brush and clean the welt with a toothbrush before buffing to see if this can improve things.

From there, I'd sparingly use either Venetian Shoe Cream or Saphir Cordovan on the affected areas as broadly per the "Mac Method".

Finally, if this fails, I'd suggest 3-4 light, closely targeted swipes with 0000 grade steel wool followed by a little Venetian or Saphir and vigorous buffing. NOTE: This may well darken the shell.

Thank you so very much for your help!

 

[aro777]

As to the authenticity and the label bearing the "Beverly Hills - New York" stamp, I found this interesting thread from AAAC dating to 2009.

https://askandyaboutclothes.com/community/threads/churchs-shoes-in-los-angeles.97329/

Thanks! I think these are legit, but made in USA vs England.

 

[aro777]

FYI. There has been a recent discussion on the thrifting thread on tof regarding church's cordovan shoes. The consensus would seem to be that not all shoes marked cordovan are what we now consider shell cordovan. I don't know that we came to any conclusions but I have read elsewhere that churches did not make much shell shoes and a look at these pictures seems a little questionable. As new they don't have much roll yet but I don't see the customary rise around the eyelets I am used to on Alden shell.
Perhaps others here more knowledgeable can chime in. Either way that is a beautiful pair of new shoes and a great find.

Yes, these were a great find. I'm not sure where tof is, but if there's any way you could let me know, that's be great. Also, I did post a thread on, well, another place who bills themselves as "the front page of the internet" Is that what you're referring to?

 

[SG_67]

Thanks! I think these are legit, but made in USA vs England.

What information are you using to determine that these are American made? I don't see anything in the pics you've produced indicating where the shoes are made.

 

[aro777]

What information are you using to determine that these are American made? I don't see anything in the pics you've produced indicating where the shoes are made.

Generally, the lack of any other mark indicating their country of origin.

 

[SG_67]

Generally, the lack of any other mark indicating their country of origin.

Fine. But what makes you assume, then, that they are American made?

And honestly what does it matter. They look like nice shoes. Did you get a good deal? Wear them and enjoy.

 

[aro777]

Fine. But what makes you assume, then, that they are American made?

And honestly what does it matter. They look like nice shoes. Did you get a good deal? Wear them and enjoy.

Assuming they are not knockoffs or anything, this is just a deduction I made. Loosely based upon America's fairly strict country of origin labeling laws for imports. If it has no country of origin on it, and it's in America it is likely american made?

Oh, I'm not complaining in the least, these are great shoes and I plan to clean and wear them to my next applicable event

 

[Woofa]

Yes, these were a great find. I'm not sure where tof is, but if there's any way you could let me know, that's be great. Also, I did post a thread on, well, another place who bills themselves as "the front page of the internet" Is that what you're referring to?

I am not sure of that title but tof we usually use to signify the other forum. Hint it is a forum about style.

 

[aro777]

I am not sure of that title but tof we usually use to signify the other forum. Hint it is a forum about style.

Thanks!

 

[icky thump]

Long story short. I was with wife in thrift store. I'm not a clothes thrifter, mainly housewares, but I noticed these pair of shoes. Apparently, these are Church's, or made by someone for Church's. They were my size and they appear to have never been worn, so this is a super score.

The whole Made for Church's New York / Beverly Hills thing is throwing me off as Church's are English. Any know if these are knockoffs? They appear to be a very well handmade pair of shoes regardless. Google searches are really spotty on this, Hoping someone can lend some more info.

I'm not thinking anyone would bother to knockoff Church's. When I was in Bangkok I saw Supreme, Nike, Fendi, DG knockoffs and many more. Church's not so much.

 

[JBierly]

They look like vintage Churches shoes to me. Often shoes will do a branding label for a local store or market. I have a pair of vintage Churches that say Made in England. Another has London New York Paris (the latter was purchased in the middle east 20 plus years ago.)