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He'll hang on as long as possible- until he HAS to call an election. The "last legs " thing is media generated, though he's run out of steam and is an unloveable, heavy-handed and dour character. In waiting .. well lots of them but Harriet Harman is supposed to fancy the job which is great as the thought of her would cause a landslide to the (hooray) conservatives. Shes an old fashioned class traitor socialist..priviledged but dead set on making us all suffer for being able to make any success of our lives so we can subsidize the wastrel workshy underclass. Harrumph.
 

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He'll hang on as long as possible- until he HAS to call an election. The "last legs " thing is media generated, though he's run out of steam and is an unloveable, heavy-handed and dour character. In waiting .. well lots of them but Harriet Harman is supposed to fancy the job which is great as the thought of her would cause a landslide to the (hooray) conservatives. Shes an old fashioned class traitor socialist..priviledged but dead set on making us all suffer for being able to make any success of our lives so we can subsidize the wastrel workshy underclass. Harrumph.
And Cameron seems to be growing in gravitas through some personal tragedy or challenge, or am I wrong?
 

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Yes , his son Ivan died recently..he had a congenital syndrome and suffered fits and mental retardation..the Camerons couldn't have acted with more compassion while he was alive nor more dignity around the time of his death not due to their their social advantages, resources and wealth..all very moving indeed. George Osborne as shadow Chancellor is worrying though..doesn't have the common touch.
 

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You Brits just do not know how lucky you are.

I hope Gordon Brown lasts for a very long time. He is a good honest man and has saved your bacon on many an occasion.

If you think you have much to complain about, why not try some of our er, how shall i put it, shady characters - greedy, corrupt, dangerous - to run your government for a while, and have no fear, they will not resign after commiting a crime.

Then you will appreciate what you've got.

I thought you might like to know:-
We are having "free" and "fair" "democratic" elections next month and the government even has dead people, yes you saw right "dead people", standing for election. When questioned about it, they said they did not realise they were dead.
 

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You Brits just do not know how lucky you are.

I hope Gordon Brown lasts for a very long time. He is a good honest man and has saved your bacon on many an occasion.

If you think you have much to complain about, why not try some of our er, how shall i put it, shady characters - greedy, corrupt, dangerous - to run your government for a while, and have no fear, they will not resign after commiting a crime.

Then you will appreciate what you've got.

I thought you might like to know:-
We are having "free" and "fair" "democratic" elections next month and the government even has dead people, yes you saw right "dead people", standing for election. When questioned about it, they said they did not realise they were dead.
Expenses anybody?
 

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You Brits just do not know how lucky you are.

I hope Gordon Brown lasts for a very long time. He is a good honest man and has saved your bacon on many an occasion.
Despite his frequent protestations he's in fact incredibly dishonest. Blatantly lying on several occasions. His economic policies are wrong. They've been wrong for the last 12 years and they're wrong now. He rode on an economic boom during his Chancellorship, claiming credit for it when it had nothing to do with him and as soon as things turned sour it became a 'global economic crisis'. I'm not doubting that it is, just saying he's incapable of admitting he's wrong. No, things aren't as bad as in South Africa, but that doesn't mean we should stop being critical of our elected representatives, particularly when they haven't actually been elected...
 

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Gordon Brown is an exceptional financial genius and by far the best man to control the economic downturn, unfortunately his leadership skills are not as good and is blessed with a party that doesnt know its left ear from its right foot.

The problem is, the Labour party dont have anybody capable of leading them to victory, they only have good right hand men like Peter Mandleson, an exceptional man in his own capacity. Certainly somebody to aspire to!

I would vote Conservative, i think there policies are superior especially in terms of keeping Britain British! but David Cameron is a show man without the real goods to chew what hes about to bite off...
 

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Gordon Brown is an exceptional financial genius and by far the best man to control the economic downturn,
Forgive me, I'm new and don't wish to pick a fight, but do you really believe this or are you being sarcastic?

Brown spent the first three years following the Conservatives spending plans, the next 8 proclaiming massive consumer debt funded by house price inflation had ended boom and bust and the last year doing something, anything, to make him look like he had an idea what to do about the problem.

Besides which he's ill mannered and can't find a suit that fits. :icon_smile_big:

Brown attends black tie dinner in lounge suit
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Gordon Brown is an exceptional financial genius and by far the best man to control the economic downturn, unfortunately his leadership skills are not as good and is blessed with a party that doesnt know its left ear from its right foot.

The problem is, the Labour party dont have anybody capable of leading them to victory, they only have good right hand men like Peter Mandleson, an exceptional man in his own capacity. Certainly somebody to aspire to!

I would vote Conservative, i think there policies are superior especially in terms of keeping Britain British! but David Cameron is a show man without the real goods to chew what hes about to bite off...
Gordon Brown is a good man who has a brilliant mind. Unfortunately for him and the Labour Party he has no charisma. Nowadays getting elected and staying there is to do with about 70% charisma and 30% policies.

I've heard nothing from David Cameron .............come to think of it I've heard nothing from David Cameron! When the banking crisis was well under way he and George Osborne had absolutely nothing to say - it was very worrying indeed since we all think they'll be leading our great nation soon. George Osborne comes across as a twit to be honest - David Cameron has more gravitas.

I think the Tories will win the next election and that fact depresses me greatly!

If you're asking who could take over from GB and do better it would have to be Alan Johnson. He's managed to lead several major government departments and not slipped on a banana yet, gaining a good reputation on the way. David Milliband is more impressive but blew his short term chances when he didn't supress rumours of him standing a while back and then changed his mind.

Of course the Browns lost a child too, a baby, but I'd hate us to sink to the level of personal tragedy turning into political advantage - and I am sure David Cameron and Gordon Brown would too.

We are all going insane over here - the expenses scandal was bad but friends in Germany say its even worse on the continent its just that the Telegraph got hold of the info!

Anyway as we all know because the Daily Mail says so, it was only Labour MPs who were fiddling their expenses and the whole global banking crisis was not caused by overlending on the part of banks but by Labour party economic policy. So all of you can blame the UK Labour party for the world recession.

Oh and the UK was one of the least endebted countries in the western world entering into the crisis but you'd never know that if you believe what the press and the Conservatives say!

I got so sick of it all that I determined to listen only to the economists on Newsnight and Radio 4 and if you did listen to them you'd know the Labour Government whilst getting some things wrong have been broadly on the right lines. The biggest thing they got wrong was too little regulatino of thd financial markets and just two years ago who was it demanding further deregulation of the City? The Tories!
 

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How exactly does he have an excellent mind? He's a perpetual liar and was one of the worst chancellors we've ever had, to say nothing of his premiership. What kind of 'financial genius' sells off a vast amount of this country's gold at the lowest price for a decade?
The notion that Cameron and Osbourne have said nothing and would do nothing is a Labour fabrication. They've said a great deal, if you're actually prepared to listen to them, rather than deciding that they're lightweights and ignoring them. Now if you're looking for political lightweights then look no further than Alan Johnson and David Milliband.
No serious newspaper suggests that the expenses scandal was limited to one party.
'Oh and the UK was one of the least endebted countries in the western world entering into the crisis but you'd never know that if you believe what the press and the Conservatives say!' No, we'd never know it because it's not true. Labour spent the years of prosperity building up a huge deficit, instead of reducing it, under the illusion that GB had ended boom and bust. Instead this task will be left to the conservatives, as it was in 1979.
It is well known that The BBC is more sympathetic to the left, so your idea that Newsnight and Radio 4 will provide an unbiased picture of Labour is frankly ridiculous.
 

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How exactly does he have an excellent mind? He's a perpetual liar and was one of the worst chancellors we've ever had, to say nothing of his premiership. What kind of 'financial genius' sells off a vast amount of this country's gold at the lowest price for a decade?
The notion that Cameron and Osbourne have said nothing and would do nothing is a Labour fabrication. They've said a great deal, if you're actually prepared to listen to them, rather than deciding that they're lightweights and ignoring them. Now if you're looking for political lightweights then look no further than Alan Johnson and David Milliband.
No serious newspaper suggests that the expenses scandal was limited to one party.
'Oh and the UK was one of the least endebted countries in the western world entering into the crisis but you'd never know that if you believe what the press and the Conservatives say!' No, we'd never know it because it's not true. Labour spent the years of prosperity building up a huge deficit, instead of reducing it, under the illusion that GB had ended boom and bust. Instead this task will be left to the conservatives, as it was in 1979.
It is well known that The BBC is more sympathetic to the left, so your idea that Newsnight and Radio 4 will provide an unbiased picture of Labour is frankly ridiculous.
To pick up on your last point - it is well known to the right that the BBC is biased to the left - that's not the same thing as it being an objective fact. In fact the left gets as excecised about bias in the BBC against them as the right do. That suggests to me that the BBC are getting it about right.
 

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How exactly does he have an excellent mind? He's a perpetual liar and was one of the worst chancellors we've ever had, to say nothing of his premiership. What kind of 'financial genius' sells off a vast amount of this country's gold at the lowest price for a decade?
The notion that Cameron and Osbourne have said nothing and would do nothing is a Labour fabrication. They've said a great deal, if you're actually prepared to listen to them, rather than deciding that they're lightweights and ignoring them. Now if you're looking for political lightweights then look no further than Alan Johnson and David Milliband.
No serious newspaper suggests that the expenses scandal was limited to one party.
'Oh and the UK was one of the least endebted countries in the western world entering into the crisis but you'd never know that if you believe what the press and the Conservatives say!' No, we'd never know it because it's not true. Labour spent the years of prosperity building up a huge deficit, instead of reducing it, under the illusion that GB had ended boom and bust. Instead this task will be left to the conservatives, as it was in 1979.
It is well known that The BBC is more sympathetic to the left, so your idea that Newsnight and Radio 4 will provide an unbiased picture of Labour is frankly ridiculous.
what a sensible correspondent.
 

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Gordon Brown is a good man who has a brilliant mind. Unfortunately for him and the Labour Party he has no charisma. Nowadays getting elected and staying there is to do with about 70% charisma and 30% policies.
A brilliant mind does not make you a great leader perhaps he was a good No 2 but I think Blair would argue with you over that. He is a loner and seems unable to work as part of a team.

I've heard nothing from David Cameron .............come to think of it I've heard nothing from David Cameron! When the banking crisis was well under way he and George Osborne had absolutely nothing to say - it was very worrying indeed since we all think they'll be leading our great nation soon. George Osborne comes across as a twit to be honest - David Cameron has more gravitas.
Did you here anything from Blair pre 97. They are just following the same tactic of keeping their powder dry and saying little to box the in.

If you're asking who could take over from GB and do better it would have to be Alan Johnson. He's managed to lead several major government departments and not slipped on a banana yet, gaining a good reputation on the way. David Milliband is more impressive but blew his short term chances when he didn't suppress rumours of him standing a while back and then changed his mind.
Both of them have shown they lack the desire to challenge Brown at this stage, leaving him with the blame for the recession and all the other ills that have beset the party lately. Alan Johnson is probably too old to be PM when Labour make it back into office.

Of course the Browns lost a child too, a baby, but I'd hate us to sink to the level of personal tragedy turning into political advantage - and I am sure David Cameron and Gordon Brown would too.
Are you accusing either of doing so?

We are all going insane over here - the expenses scandal was bad but friends in Germany say its even worse on the continent its just that the Telegraph got hold of the info!
Perhaps you are right.

Anyway as we all know because the Daily Mail says so, it was only Labour MPs who were fiddling their expenses and the whole global banking crisis was not caused by overlending on the part of banks but by Labour party economic policy. So all of you can blame the UK Labour party for the world recession.
With what I surmise to be your political leanings I had not put you down as a Mail reader.

Oh and the UK was one of the least endebted countries in the western world entering into the crisis but you'd never know that if you believe what the press and the Conservatives say!
Just plain wrong.

I got so sick of it all that I determined to listen only to the economists on Newsnight and Radio 4 and if you did listen to them you'd know the Labour Government whilst getting some things wrong have been broadly on the right lines. The biggest thing they got wrong was too little regulation of the financial markets and just two years ago who was it demanding further deregulation of the City? The Tories!
I do not know what you choose not to hear on Radio 4 it seems that Brown get quite a kicking by the BBC and no more than he deserves.
 
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