I also like the extra detail the working buttonholes add on the sleeves. It differentiates my suit from the all the others out just a little bit more.
Fake button holes on suit jacket sleeve. What do you prefer?
I was curious to know when you get your suit jacket sleeve shorten do you have your tailor put new fake button hole stitching next to your buttons, have him do real button holes, or just leave it plain (4 buttons but no fake button hole stitching)?
Also whats your take on just having buttons on the sleeves and no stitching next to them? I would think it would not matter cause why put fake button holes next to them to begin with. That is if real holes are not an option. Is that a sign of a low quality suit? Or just personal taste?
If need to know, the suits are Canali and Corneliani.
Also whats your take on just having buttons on the sleeves and no stitching next to them? I would think it would not matter cause why put fake button holes next to them to begin with. That is if real holes are not an option. Is that a sign of a low quality suit? Or just personal taste?
If need to know, the suits are Canali and Corneliani.
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Sprung trap!
And, while we're at it, why shouldn't coat collars and lapels be designed so that they could actually be fastened closed and look as though that was meant to be? That means, of course, finishing the underside of the collar in the same material as the rest, which is not commonly done, if ever. That's what they were originally meant to do, and if we're going to have them, why shouldn't they function as they were meant to?
That would only happen on the off chance that a person were caught out without an overcoat in a sudden squall; about as often as a surgeon would need to unbutton working sleeve buttons to turn back the cuffs, I suspect. At least the design would be honest.
Ah, but wouldn't not having any buttons at all be the ultimate differentiation?:icon_smile_big:I also like the extra detail the working buttonholes add on the sleeves. It differentiates my suit from the all the others out just a little bit more.
And, while we're at it, why shouldn't coat collars and lapels be designed so that they could actually be fastened closed and look as though that was meant to be? That means, of course, finishing the underside of the collar in the same material as the rest, which is not commonly done, if ever. That's what they were originally meant to do, and if we're going to have them, why shouldn't they function as they were meant to?
That would only happen on the off chance that a person were caught out without an overcoat in a sudden squall; about as often as a surgeon would need to unbutton working sleeve buttons to turn back the cuffs, I suspect. At least the design would be honest.
I try to find OTR suits w/ no fake button holes because I know I'm going to have to get the sleeves shortened anyways. I'd love to go no buttons -- is this an emerging style?
overcoats are or should be equipped with a storm button. its under the right lapel. the left lapel crosses over and buttons in a storm.
i have not seen this on a suit or sport coat yet.
but i do think a sport coat with that little button holed throat latch under the left collar, should have one for the collar and the lapel also.
i have not seen this on a suit or sport coat yet.
but i do think a sport coat with that little button holed throat latch under the left collar, should have one for the collar and the lapel also.
Fake button holes are O.K. in my opinion although it is not something I seek in a suit. ButI have to agree it is a nice detail but not a deal breaker on a purchase.
I'd like to go back to my earlier point about functioning buttonholes, not fake ones, on jacket sleeves. I love them. I wish I had them on my jackets.
What I don't like are those folks who have them but then have this self-imposed "rule" about never unbuttoning the things. I can't tell you how many pictures I've seen of men who are noted for being well dressed in bygone years who had their jacket sleeves unbuttoned, often turned up, much like the picture of David Niven that I posted.
To me this is the same as spending large sums of money on elaborate, decorative suspenders and then treating them like underwear, fearful that someone might actually see them. It just makes no sense to me. But then again I don't really understand the Theory of Relativity either. :icon_smile_big:
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What I don't like are those folks who have them but then have this self-imposed "rule" about never unbuttoning the things. I can't tell you how many pictures I've seen of men who are noted for being well dressed in bygone years who had their jacket sleeves unbuttoned, often turned up, much like the picture of David Niven that I posted.
To me this is the same as spending large sums of money on elaborate, decorative suspenders and then treating them like underwear, fearful that someone might actually see them. It just makes no sense to me. But then again I don't really understand the Theory of Relativity either. :icon_smile_big:
Cruiser
I like Thomas Mahon's take on them...
I don't go out of my way to have them made.
I don't go out of my way to have them made.
As I have said before, I have functioning buttonholes on some of my trousers, but I usually keep those buttoned up as well. I see no utility in keeping a button or two unbuttoned. It does not make my wrists more comfortable, or allow me more freedom of movement. As to why I still go through the added expense of adding functioning buttons, that is a more complex question, and I am honestly not even sure myself. It just "feels" right, so I do it.I'd like to go back to my earlier point about functioning buttonholes, not fake ones, on jacket sleeves. I love them. I wish I had them on my jackets.
What I don't like are those folks who have them but then have this self-imposed "rule" about never unbuttoning the things. I can't tell you how many pictures I've seen of men who are noted for being well dressed in bygone years who had their jacket sleeves unbuttoned, often turned up, much like the picture of David Niven that I posted.
To me this is the same as spending large sums of money on elaborate, decorative suspenders and then treating them like underwear, fearful that someone might actually see them. It just makes no sense to me. But then again I don't really understand the Theory of Relativity either. :icon_smile_big:
Cruiser
Functioning button holes are better, hand stitched button holes that function even better, but no big deal.
I tend to have functioning hand stitched button holes mainly because I make my own suits. but if I see something off the rack that's really nice or economical to buy I don't sweat not having working buttons.
By the way I never open them, I think it's a bit vulgar somehow. Having said that I wear a 3 letter monogramme on my cuffs!
I tend to have functioning hand stitched button holes mainly because I make my own suits. but if I see something off the rack that's really nice or economical to buy I don't sweat not having working buttons.
By the way I never open them, I think it's a bit vulgar somehow. Having said that I wear a 3 letter monogramme on my cuffs!
It's about knowing what you got and not having to flaunt it. (confidence within) There are also more subtle ways of telling a quality suit. functioning button holes don't always mean a quality/expensive garment anyway. They are everywhere now, another reason not to bother so much.I'd like to go back to my earlier point about functioning buttonholes, not fake ones, on jacket sleeves. I love them. I wish I had them on my jackets.
What I don't like are those folks who have them but then have this self-imposed "rule" about never unbuttoning the things. I can't tell you how many pictures I've seen of men who are noted for being well dressed in bygone years who had their jacket sleeves unbuttoned, often turned up, much like the picture of David Niven that I posted.
To me this is the same as spending large sums of money on elaborate, decorative suspenders and then treating them like underwear, fearful that someone might actually see them. It just makes no sense to me. But then again I don't really understand the Theory of Relativity either. :icon_smile_big:
Cruiser
Hand stitched button hole, that's what I look for....I can spot them a mile off.
if your gf gives you boxers with pink hearts on them, i hope you keep them covered.I'd like to go back to my earlier point about functioning buttonholes, not fake ones, on jacket sleeves. I love them. I wish I had them on my jackets.
What I don't like are those folks who have them but then have this self-imposed "rule" about never unbuttoning the things. I can't tell you how many pictures I've seen of men who are noted for being well dressed in bygone years who had their jacket sleeves unbuttoned, often turned up, much like the picture of David Niven that I posted.
To me this is the same as spending large sums of money on elaborate, decorative suspenders and then treating them like underwear, fearful that someone might actually see them. It just makes no sense to me. But then again I don't really understand the Theory of Relativity either. :icon_smile_big:
Cruiser
relativity? i understand it, there is no such thing.
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I thought sleeve buttons were first applied to dissuade wearers from wiping their noses on the garment?
If so, instead of faux buttonholes, we need more aggressive buttons, something that will really set hook in a nostril to embarress the offender.
And, as an aside, this business of taking national offense at every perceived slight and throwing back Lend Lease ( war material, not post war economic asistance by the way)is self defeating.
IF, and it's a big if, the poster meant offense the genteel reaction is none.You know, stiff upper lip and never apologise, never explain.
If so, instead of faux buttonholes, we need more aggressive buttons, something that will really set hook in a nostril to embarress the offender.
And, as an aside, this business of taking national offense at every perceived slight and throwing back Lend Lease ( war material, not post war economic asistance by the way)is self defeating.
IF, and it's a big if, the poster meant offense the genteel reaction is none.You know, stiff upper lip and never apologise, never explain.
Let's just say that I hope the day never comes that my gf gives me boxers with pink hearts on them. Wearing them would almost guarantee an accident with me being taken to the hospital. :icon_smile_big:if your gf gives you boxers with pink hearts on them, i hope you keep them covered.
Cruiser
Yeah that was all about Russian Guardsmen and there coats.....probably a myth though.I thought sleeve buttons were first applied to dissuade wearers from wiping their noses on the garment?
If so, instead of faux buttonholes, we need more aggressive buttons, something that will really set hook in a nostril to embarress the offender.
And, as an aside, this business of taking national offense at every perceived slight and throwing back Lend Lease ( war material, not post war economic asistance by the way)is self defeating.
IF, and it's a big if, the poster meant offense the genteel reaction is none.You know, stiff upper lip and never apologise, never explain.
If you will make them working, best to have hand sewn.
MOP is for suits as well. I have gorgeous Isaia, Brioni, etc. suits with those buttons.Buttons on a suit should surely be of horn. MoP is for shirts. As to button holes, leave them in the form they came, the quaint US custom of adding working holes seems somehow false. Making a silk purse out of a sow's ear comes to mind.
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