[fred johnson]

I find that I prefer Jack over Bills even though I have been a big fan of Bills M1's for years. With similar construction and weight I found the main difference is that Jack's zipper length is commensurate with the rise while Bills is not and always looked a little short in the M1 cut, something which always bothered me.

 

[127.72 MHz]

Thank you for your interesting analysis. I have more pairs of Bill's than I can count and I have been satisfied with their cut and performance.

I have a few pairs of Orvis Ultimate Khakis and although the fit is not precisely what I want the price, (When you buy two pairs) is acceptable.

I just looked up Jack Donnelly's Khakis and they do seem to have the features that Traditional Men's Khakis need. (I would like to see them come in a little less expensive though.)

I may try a pair.

 

[andrewdc]

I wear a pair of each - both the M1/relaxed. I haven't notice anything in particular about the zippers. I'm very happy with both brands. Bills feel slightly more confined around the waist and seat, which I could have addressed with a tailor, but cotton khaki twill is pretty forgiving, no need.

 

[Vecchio Vespa]

Anyone here have firsthand experience with the color of Jack's green? On their website it looks very dark. I just want a plain old olive green.

 

[August West]

Anyone here have firsthand experience with the color of Jack's green? On their website it looks very dark. I just want a plain old olive green.

I have a pair of olive from JD that I would guess is about 5 or 6 years old. I'd consider them to be a fairly traditional olive color, not too dark. Obviously the cloth could be different now.

I find that I don't wear olive chinos very often, they're my only pair. Not sure why. Olive cords and moleskins are another story... In season they are in regular rotation.

If I recall correctly, JD's return policy includes free return shipping so there's really no risk. (Please confirm that yourself).

 

[Vecchio Vespa]

I have a pair of olive from JD that I would guess is about 5 or 6 years old. I'd consider them to be a fairly traditional olive color, not too dark. Obviously the cloth could be different now.

I find that I don't wear olive chinos very often, they're my only pair. Not sure why. Olive cords and moleskins are another story... In season they are in regular rotation.

If I recall correctly, JD's return policy includes free return shipping so there's really no risk. (Please confirm that yourself).

Thanks so immensely!

 

[August West]

Thanks so immensely!

My pleasure. One further thought. Reach out to Gregg and ask him to weigh in on how the olive appears on the website vs in real life. He's a one man show and as a result some times it takes a couple of days for a reply but his insight would be much better than mine.

 

[John M]

I have a pair of the green ones and I'm not sure how I would describe them because yes they are very dark. You could I guess call them an avocado green? That would be the outside not inside.

 

[never behind]

FYI, JD does have free returns. I just tried the M2 and M3 cuts and no issue on the returns. Just go to the website, click a few buttons and print out a USPS shipping label.

I have their khaki and British khaki colors in M2. I really like the fit. Material is nice IMO. The only difference in M2 and M3 pairs I had was the front rise on the M3 is about 1/2” higher. I am not at home and if I recall on 36 waist, M2 is roughly 12.5”-12.75” while M3 is 13”-13.25”. I wrote it down, so message me if anyone wants the info.