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"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate, so let’s get that straight."


Wow, even if you think it, never say it. How much does this hurt Obama's campaign?
 

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Glad to see Biden has a firm grasp on the obvious. Then again, I think The Dems made a mistake by picking Obama over Clinton.
 

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In some ways it would have been suicide for Obama to pick her. The Clintons would have gotten more coverage than him and would have been the center of attention. They aren't good at playing second fiddle.

A more cynical suggestion was that Obama was worried that with Hillary as his running mate, she would have been well placed to destroy his campaign from the inside. If he loses she can run again in 4 years. If he wins, then she is shut out for 8 years, at which point she will be nearly 70.
 

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This is starting to go really, really bad for Obama!
 

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Hillary, while very thin on qualification, is certainly much more qualified than Obama. While not as "experienced" as Biden, he's minor league compared to her, talent-wise, so he's absolutely correct that she would be a better "pick" than him.

It is also quite correct that he could never share the spotlight with the Clintons. He would be overwhelmed in no time. Plus, do you think he wanted to have Bill traipsing around chasing skirts in the Whitehouse and all over DC? No, thanks.
 

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Thanks.
Self-deprecation is popular, but not necessarily a good idea. There's a scene in the movie The Great Debaters where the young debater starts out with a self-deprecating remark and the coach asks him if he would punch himself in a fight, and similarly he shouldn't help the other side in a debate by disparaging his own abilities.
 

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I am sure that Biden thought he was giving a good answer. Trying to say nice things about Hillary, not wanting to anger her former supporters, but he clearly went to far. Saying she would have been a good VP was enough, saying she would have been better than him raises the question why he didn't pick her. Opening old wounds is never a good idea.
 

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Biden may have some strengths. However, coming up with obtuse statements overcomes a lot of alleged strengths.

He made the statement in support of HRC qualifications, apparently in a well meaning attempt to be self depreciating. However, he made it the same day that he was speaking in Missouri, and was paying tribute to state legislators present. In one of these he said something like "It's good to see Scott here. Stand up and let us see you Scott."

It turned out rather badly, because Scott was in a wheel chair.

The more substantive question is why Obama didn't pick HRC as VP candidate? In retrospect, if he had done so, he would have probably have been ahead by double digits, at this point.

We'll never know why, but possibilities:
1. She didn't want to do it. If he fails, she will be in a good position in 2012.

2. Clintons didn't want to go through the vetting process. Many of Bill's financial arrangements since leaving office wouldn't stand a lot of scrutiny.

3.Bill has lost a lot of his luster, and those making the decision felt that he would do more harm than good.

4. Clintons and Obamas really don't like each other. Michelle may have had a significant voice in the mater.

5. The apparent arrogance of Obama convinced him that he didn't need HRC or anyone else.

He seems to, at this point. She could have easily put him over the top, by most accounts.
Time will tell. It still seems like he has an excellent chance, if he can run the clock out.
 

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We'll never know why, but possibilities:
1. She didn't want to do it. If he fails, she will be in a good position in 2012.

By "fails" do you mean loses the election? If he wins and turns out to be a miserable president, she will still be more or less unable to challenge him. Nearly impossible to unseat a sitting president in primaries.
 

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We'll never know why, but possibilities:
1. She didn't want to do it. If he fails, she will be in a good position in 2012.

By "fails" do you mean loses the election? If he wins and turns out to be a miserable president, she will still be more or less unable to challenge him. Nearly impossible to unseat a sitting president in primaries.
What you said. I meant if he fails to get elected. She will then seem to be in a position to say "I'm ready, if you want to send in the first string."

You're right, she would have a difficult time challenging him, were he to be unsuccessful in office. Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were both nominated for a second term by their parties, and rejected by the voters.
 

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We'll never know why, but possibilities:

4. Clintons and Obamas really don't like each other. Michelle may have had a significant voice in the mater.
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