Bahles is not known for discounting the Harley sweaters any further than they are at the moment (no spring/summer closeouts or anything like that). They sell well and Bahles knows it.I was going to pull the trigger on the Hartley ones, but ultimately my big (super temporary) solution to this problem was to go and buy five excellent sort of condition LL Bean ones from the same seller on ebay for $30 or so shipped. I certainly could have done worse. I think they may last until I have some more time to do some more looking around, or perhaps get the Harley ones off season.