[Matt S]

I've read on here about gig lines from the military members, about how the opening of shirt, the front of the belt buckle and the trouser fly should all line up. But I find it faulty to line up these parts because the shirt ends up twisted across the body. The proper gig line don't create as neat of a look as its proponents say it does.

The trouser fly is centred on the body, while the shirt's opening is slightly to the right (the buttons are centered). So when these are lined up the shirt ends up looking sloppy because the shirt is pulled towards the side. The shirt is not able to drape evenly on the left and right sides of the body, so the fit will look off as well.

An ordinary type of prong belt buckle works fine to line up with the fly, but slide buckles and centre bar buckles look odd when worn off-center to follow the gig line.

My preferred trousers have an extended waistband and side-adjusters, so there's no need to worry about lining up the shirt's placket and the trouser fly. But I still wear belted trousers, and I'm left confused on whether or not I should follow military conventions.

Does anyone have any opinions on the merits and faults of a proper military gig line?

 

[Flanderian]

I've read on here about gig lines from the military members, about how the opening of shirt, the front of the belt buckle and the trouser fly should all line up. But I find it faulty to line up these parts because the shirt ends up twisted across the body. The proper gig line don't create as neat of a look as its proponents say it does.

The trouser fly is centred on the body, while the shirt's opening is slightly to the right (the buttons are centered). So when these are lined up the shirt ends up looking sloppy because the shirt is pulled towards the side. The shirt is not able to drape evenly on the left and right sides of the body, so the fit will look off as well.

An ordinary type of prong belt buckle works fine to line up with the fly, but slide buckles and centre bar buckles look odd when worn off-center to follow the gig line.

My preferred trousers have an extended waistband and side-adjusters, so there's no need to worry about lining up the shirt's placket and the trouser fly. But I still wear belted trousers, and I'm left confused on whether or not I should follow military conventions.

Does anyone have any opinions on the merits and faults of a proper military gig line?

Listen up, troop #$%#!!!

There are two ways to do everything; the right way, and the military way!

TEN HUT!!!

 

[Andy]

Matt S:

Attention! Try your best to line up everything. If everything gets out of line during the day, at least you tried.

 

[richard warren]

One has to assume (or perhaps more accurately speculate) that the gig line was an expedient adopted to bring a mass of potentially uncaring, potentially slovenly folks of no more than intelligence into some sort of acceptable consistency.

No reason anybody outside of the military should pay any attention to it, unless possibly one is managing a similar group of people.

 

[smmrfld]

Completely useless practice. Ignore this nonsense, IMO.

 

[EclecticSr.]

I've read on here about gig lines from the military members, about how the opening of shirt, the front of the belt buckle and the trouser fly should all line up. But I find it faulty to line up these parts because the shirt ends up twisted across the body. The proper gig line don't create as neat of a look as its proponents say it does.

The trouser fly is centred on the body, while the shirt's opening is slightly to the right (the buttons are centered). So when these are lined up the shirt ends up looking sloppy because the shirt is pulled towards the side. The shirt is not able to drape evenly on the left and right sides of the body, so the fit will look off as well.

An ordinary type of prong belt buckle works fine to line up with the fly, but slide buckles and centre bar buckles look odd when worn off-center to follow the gig line.

My preferred trousers have an extended waistband and side-adjusters, so there's no need to worry about lining up the shirt's placket and the trouser fly. But I still wear belted trousers, and I'm left confused on whether or not I should follow military conventions.

Does anyone have any opinions on the merits and faults of a proper military gig line?

Matt, would you wear your tie knot under one of your collar leafs, have your fly 2" off center to the side you dress on, Have a pant pleat of one leg point in the same direction ?

 

[EclecticSr.]

One has to assume (or perhaps more accurately speculate) that the gig line was an expedient adopted to bring a mass of potentially uncaring, potentially slovenly folks of no more than intelligence into some sort of acceptable consistency.

No reason anybody outside of the military should pay any attention to it, unless possibly one is managing a similar group of people.

Your post pretty much speaks for itself. I might speculate later.

 

[eagle2250]

I've read on here about gig lines from the military members, about how the opening of shirt, the front of the belt buckle and the trouser fly should all line up. But I find it faulty to line up these parts because the shirt ends up twisted across the body. The proper gig line don't create as neat of a look as its proponents say it does.

The trouser fly is centred on the body, while the shirt's opening is slightly to the right (the buttons are centered). So when these are lined up the shirt ends up looking sloppy because the shirt is pulled towards the side. The shirt is not able to drape evenly on the left and right sides of the body, so the fit will look off as well.

An ordinary type of prong belt buckle works fine to line up with the fly, but slide buckles and centre bar buckles look odd when worn off-center to follow the gig line.

My preferred trousers have an extended waistband and side-adjusters, so there's no need to worry about lining up the shirt's placket and the trouser fly. But I still wear belted trousers, and I'm left confused on whether or not I should follow military conventions.

Does anyone have any opinions on the merits and faults of a proper military gig line?

Completely useless practice. Ignore this nonsense, IMO.

Matt S; it pains me to say this, as I hold your sartorial opinions in the highest regard...you are one of my men's style icons and I want to say "yes sir, you are absolutely right." However, truth be known, those Training Instructors of old, claiming to be both my mama and my papa, scared the hell out of me and they still do! So I must tell you maintain that gig line at all costs! LOL.

 

[EclecticSr.]

Matt S; it pains me to say this, as I hold your sartorial opinions in the highest regard...you are one of my men's style icons and I want to say "yes sir, you are absolutely right." However, truth be known, those Training Instructors of old, claiming to be both my mama and my papa, scared the hell out of me and they still do! So I must tell you maintain that gig line at all costs! LOL.

eagle2250

Do you realize a poster has described you and many others ( a mass ) as , speculatively speaking , unintelligent, uncaring sloven of persons?

Do not bow in deference.

 

[EclecticSr.]

Seems a few have hijacked a clothing forum to espouse political views in the guise of clothing opinion.
I'll let their subliminal posts stand as testimony.

 

[Matt S]

Matt, would you wear your tie knot under one of your collar leafs, have your fly 2" off center to the side you dress on, Have a pant pleat of one leg point in the same direction ?

That's why the gig line doesn't make sense to me. To maintain a gig line means that either my fly is off-centre or the shirt placket is. You can't have both centred and have them line up. Why should I be twisting my shirt or my trousers to one side to line them up?

 

[Matt S]

Matt S:

Attention! Try your best to line up everything. If everything gets out of line during the day, at least you tried.

Andy, please reread my post. I'm saying that when you line up the shirt to the trousers it either twists the shirt or the trousers out of alignment, affecting the drape of the shirt. A trouser fly is in the centre of the trousers, while the opening of the shirt placket is off-centre. Why should we line up items that wouldn't naturally line up?

 

[smmrfld]

Seems a few have hijacked a clothing forum to espouse political views in the guise of clothing opinion.
I'll let their subliminal posts stand as testimony.

Drama much? Contrary to what some may believe, there isn't an online posting conspiracy lurking behind every corner. 🙄

 

[EclecticSr.]

That's why the gig line doesn't make sense to me. To maintain a gig line means that either my fly is off-centre or the shirt placket is. You can't have both centred and have them line up. Why should I be twisting my shirt or my trousers to one side to line them up?

Matt , when you dress is is it so difficult to line up shirt placket with center of fly ? I don't have any difficulty .
Not a question of moving your fly, Just look in a mirror. Do you have a problem lining up shirt placket with fly, assuming your fly is centered on your trousers? Who said you can't have both centered ? Can you show me how off centered you dress, ( referring to t o lining up placket with center fly ) . It's one straight line. Matt are we on 2 different sartorial planets here? What's with the twisting ?

 

[Matt S]

Matt , when you dress is is it so difficult to line up shirt placket with center of fly ? I don't have any difficulty .
Not a question of moving your fly, Just look in a mirror. Do you have a problem lining up shirt placket with fly, assuming your fly is centered on your trousers? Who said you can't have both centered ? Can you show me how off centered you dress, ( referring to t o lining up placket with center fly ) . It's one straight line. Matt are we on 2 different sartorial planets here? What's with the twisting ?

I'll have to take a picture later. But to explain again, the centre line of a shirt is through the buttons, while the centre line of the trousers is through the fly. The shirt's opening is off-centre, while the trouser fly is centred. Why should one be twisted to line up with the other?

I found this photo on the internet that shows a skewed shirt forced to line up with the trousers.

 

[EclecticSr.]

Drama much? Contrary to what some may believe, there isn't an online posting conspiracy lurking behind every corner. 🙄

Who mentioned conspiracy?
Drama? Let's see, unintelligent, slovenly, uncaring masses of the military, Posts directed at those who don't fall in lock step with the poster's opinion, Last I looked such adjectives, I doubt ever entered into clothing discussion until now. Who are you being managed by, or managing ?

A clothing forum, that has no place for the comments made. What corner are you lurking behind?
Or-------do you agree with poster, a place to spew such trash ? Not my words, your's and his.

Or, do you believe as the poster that you and he are of such superior intellect, of such divine caring and less sloven than those he denigrates by admitting, slovenliness is the way to go, Duh!!!!!!! Don't follow them, follow me, be sloven.

I've been around long enough to know who is lurking behind most corners.
Please don't give me any of your superior b%$^&*&^T in response. Your above response has been played before and maybe by you in other threads.

OOOOHHHHH Drama much.

 

[EclecticSr.]

I'll have to take a picture later. But to explain again, the centre line of a shirt is through the buttons, while the centre line of the trousers is through the fly. The shirt's opening is off-centre, while the trouser fly is centred. Why should one be twisted to line up with the other?

I found this photo on the internet that shows a skewed shirt forced to line up with the trousers.
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Forced? Skewed ? Please explain, I see no forcing, no skewing.
Draw a line from center of buttons through fly, my monitor would place that line in line with with zipper. not zipper placket. Shirt placket edge in line with zipper placket edge hence centered.

Recently had eye exam, my center and peripheral vision spot on, that after years since cataract surgery.

 

[smmrfld]

Who mentioned conspiracy?
Drama? Let's see, unintelligent, slovenly, uncaring masses of the military, Posts directed at those who don't fall in lock step with the poster's opinion, Last I looked such adjectives, I doubt ever entered into clothing discussion until now. Who are you being managed by, or managing ?

A clothing forum, that has no place for the comments made. What corner are you lurking behind?
Or-------do you agree with poster, a place to spew such trash ? Not my words, your's and his.

Or, do you believe as the poster that you and he are of such superior intellect, of such divine caring and less sloven than those he denigrates by admitting, slovenliness is the way to go, Duh!!!!!!! Don't follow them, follow me, be sloven.

I've been around long enough to know who is lurking behind most corners.
Please don't give me any of your superior b%$^&*&^T in response. Your above response has been played before and maybe by you in other threads.

OOOOHHHHH Drama much.

Please seek help. You'll be doing yourself a favor.

 

[Matt S]

Forced? Skewed ? Please explain, I see no forcing, no skewing.
Draw a line from center of buttons through fly, my monitor would place that line in line with with zipper. not zipper placket. Shirt placket edge in line with zipper placket edge hence centered.

Recently had eye exam, my center and peripheral vision spot on, that after years since cataract surgery.

On all of my trousers, the edge of the fly is centred, not the the zip itself. The zip is off to the left. When you look at the fork, that should be centred, and that line continues up through the fly. That's how the trousers pictured above are. He is slanting the shirt towards the left to line up with the trousers.

 

[challer]

Forced? Skewed ? Please explain, I see no forcing, no skewing.
Draw a line from center of buttons through fly, my monitor would place that line in line with with zipper. not zipper placket. Shirt placket edge in line with zipper placket edge hence centered.

Recently had eye exam, my center and peripheral vision spot on, that after years since cataract surgery.

Concur. It looks in order to me