For raw denim, I typically size down. However, I would urge you not to wash these jeans for at least 4 months, with the first time being a trip to the dry cleaners (or hand wash).Thansk for the answers, I will try APC, Ernest sewn and Gieves and hawkes, they all look very good. Another thing that I naver liked aboout jeans is that they stretch, Levi´s for example stretch a lot. Can we tell some brands strectch less than other or depends of the model. What about the brands we have been talking about?