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GBR said:
Does the military not have anything better to concern itself with than mindless shoe polishing in this day and age?
the polishing of one's boots has been a time honored military tradition.
 
Maybe we ought to get some of the guys at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier involved in this discussion. They do the best shines I've seen, a level far beyond any other. From what I gather from them, there is no substitute for time and elbow-grease.
 
GBR said:
Does the military not have anything better to concern itself with than mindless shoe polishing in this day and age?
It's not entirely about the shine. The first job of the polish is to protect the leather.

All that mindless shoe polishing is also supposed to teach one to take care of their equipment as people's lives depend on said equipment.
 
I used the "hot teaspoon" method back in cadets as described above - polish, then heat a teaspoon up over a lighter or candle and using the back of the spoon _carefully_ smooth the polish. Done with a gentle touch, you get a brilliantly smooth and glazed surface that's very easy to maintain in a shined state with those waxy foam pads or even Windolene. :)

I would not recommend this technique for EGs or JLPs... ;)
 
JAGMAJ said:
Actually, boot shining is about to become a thing of the past in the Army. The new Army duty uniform has suede boots that can't be shined. I'm still wearing the old style uniforms until they phase them out-- in part, so I can wear shined boots.
Is this true? I am shocked.
 
Actually, boot shining is about to become a thing of the past in the Army. The new Army duty uniform has suede boots that can't be shined. I'm still wearing the old style uniforms until they phase them out-- in part, so I can wear shined boots.
Is this true? I am shocked.
I'm not entirely all that suprised. Since the military went to patent leather shoes as the standard for their dress uniforms, it was only a matter of time before they phased out genuine leather boots. It's disappointing.:(
 
Went to the U.S. Air Force Academy where all variations of lighter (heating the can of Kiwi, applied to directly to shoes/boots) and water (hot, warm, cold) were used. Also differences of opinion on whether or not cotton balls or old t-shirts were better. They all seemed to work. I've also seen some perfectly good black military oxfords absolutely ruined by too much direct flame.

Regarding patent leather: "In My Day" (he said with a boistrous voice pontificating about the past) . . . 4th classmen (i.e. freshmen) were not allowed to wear patent leather shoes unless they were wearing Mess Dress (when few ever had a reason to wear). My understanding is that these days, USAFA cadets don't get issued Mess Dress until their 2nd-class year.
 
Hang on, let me put on my old Beret one more time........damn, a little tighter than I recall......there we go.

Assuming that we are talking about wax based shoe polish, lets think about this one for just a minute. Why would you apply heat or flame to shoe polish? It would either be in hopes of melting or actually burning it, right? Neither one of these is a very good idea, either in the short term or the long term.

If your plan is to melt it, why would you want to do that? The only way to get that "mile-deep" black shoe shine is to apply VERY small amounts of polish and work them into the leather completely. The shine is a by-product of having leather that is very black and not overly dry to begin with, topped with a micro-thin layer of protective hard wax. If you want to soften the polish so you can scoop up a big glob of it and rub it all over the surface of your shoe, you end up covering the leather with much too thick of a layer of polish. Sure, when it hardens you will be able to get a decent short-term shine out of it, but it won't last. All kinds of dust, lint and dirt will imbed itself in the polish and with repeated application, it will begin to crack and flake. Bad juju.

Of course, you could just set the polish on fire. Also not a great idea. Shoe polish is a compound made up of waxes (mostly carnuba, but some also contain beeswax or other man made waxes such as parafin), pigments, oils to condition the leather and turpentine which keeps the polish from drying out. Whats going to happen when you light this stuff on fire? First, the turpentine will flash off and the polish will begin to dry out. Then some of the waxes will begin to burn (carnuba doesn't burn cleanly so it won't vaporize like parafin, but rather it turns to ash). The by-product of all this combustion will be more heat, which will break down the pigments. You have now turned well-made, chemically balanced shoe polish into a nasty mud, stripped of it moisturizing properties and full of ash and other crud. You wanna rub that on your shoes, you go ahead. Leave mine alone.

All that said, if your polish is too cold, it won't cover well. Don't keep your polish in the freezer. That should keep it warm enough. As for all those other ideas; ice water, vodka, windex, floorwax, whatever...... I've seen them all. Teaching at the Infantry school, you see guys try everything to get that mirror shine in as little time as they can. There are a bunch of ways you can get a quick high gloss finish on your shoes, but if you want to have the shine, and the shoes, last the only secret is elbow grease. Use very little polish on a clean polish cloth, work in small cirlcles and dip you finger in some clean water to keep it moist. Keep working until the haze is gone then start again. After 2-3 coats and about 30 minutes, you should begin to see the effect you are going for.

The only "Militrary Myth" I read in this thread that I will vouch for is the one about pantyhose. I've tried it, and it does work. Brings back the shine and covers any scuffs. No flame or windex required.

Chris
Who can still count his teeth in the reflection off the toes of his shoes after 2 wearings to the office.
 
Some musings on spit shines. When I was a teenager (late 1950's) the rage was to spit shine your black loafers. Every kid had a different technique, probably adopted from an older brother or cousin in the service. I've been through the Zippo lighter thing and found that it was not the best for good leather when I ruined a pair of cordovans in 1963. Still, the habit remains and I immediately spit shine every new pair of dress shoes that I get. After that I just need to touch them up after a wearing.

The system I settled on is using a damp men's handkerchief to apply the wax in multiple light coats. I don't buff the coats out in between - I just keep putting one coat on top of the other. It really doesn't take long to start to see a mirror finish emerge, usually on the toe area first. At this point I usually start buffing between coats so I can monitor my progress on the whole shoe. I wind up with a gloss that is deep and a bit satiny that doesn't break up at flex areas.

When you start, if the shoe surface feels rough under your finger applying the wax then go easy. Eventually the gloss surface starts to build and your finger glides, then you can press harder. But if there is any resistance, back off on the pressure. Also, if I feel resistance I'll brush to smooth out the surface before proceeding with another coat.

The nylon stocking or panty hose mentioned by others does make a good buff rag but I haven't bothered with one in years. My shine comes from the application of polish, and the buffing brush is just to even out any remaining streaks from the last coat. Another trick is having a good horsehair brush, mine is 35 years old.

(In college I saw ROTC guys use a nylon. They kept it rolled inside their saucer caps so it was always handy for a touch up. But what did they know? They used Noxon on their brass. Ugh!)

My bottom line is - always apply light coats of Kiwi wax with a damp handkerchief whether you are spit polishing or just touching up a shine. I was told many years ago to never put water on a brand new pair of shoes so for the inaugural coat I put the wax on dry.

When I was a draftee I felt that the Army clowns didn't know squat about polishing shoes. You wouldn't believe how many boots I saw with spray floor polish on them. Well at least I was able to get Kiwi in the PX for my dress shoes. I never spit shined boots, but I did use the same method as above to clean them, so over a period of a few months they did build up a nice glow. Anyway, in the Army you didn't need spit shined, or even shined, boots. The regs said that they needed to be clean and blackened.
 
Slightly related . . . As I mentioned previously, I've seen guys try many different ways to get that mirror like shine, and two guys would try the exact same method with exactly opposite end results.

The most controversial--and damaging--method was to "prepare" the shoe surface by first using fine grade sandpaper to allegedly smooth the surface. Some guys swore by this and came up with some pretty nice shines. I tried it once at the beginning of my WAD year to absolutely horrible results. I couldn't wear the shoes again unless it was inclement weather and expectations were a bit lower.
 
Hang on, let me put on my old Beret one more time........damn, a little tighter than I recall......there we go.

Assuming that we are talking about wax based shoe polish, lets think about this one for just a minute. Why would you apply heat or flame to shoe polish? It would either be in hopes of melting or actually burning it, right? Neither one of these is a very good idea, either in the short term or the long term.

If your plan is to melt it, why would you want to do that? The only way to get that "mile-deep" black shoe shine is to apply VERY small amounts of polish and work them into the leather completely. The shine is a by-product of having leather that is very black and not overly dry to begin with, topped with a micro-thin layer of protective hard wax. If you want to soften the polish so you can scoop up a big glob of it and rub it all over the surface of your shoe, you end up covering the leather with much too thick of a layer of polish. Sure, when it hardens you will be able to get a decent short-term shine out of it, but it won't last. All kinds of dust, lint and dirt will imbed itself in the polish and with repeated application, it will begin to crack and flake. Bad juju.

Of course, you could just set the polish on fire. Also not a great idea. Shoe polish is a compound made up of waxes (mostly carnuba, but some also contain beeswax or other man made waxes such as parafin), pigments, oils to condition the leather and turpentine which keeps the polish from drying out. Whats going to happen when you light this stuff on fire? First, the turpentine will flash off and the polish will begin to dry out. Then some of the waxes will begin to burn (carnuba doesn't burn cleanly so it won't vaporize like parafin, but rather it turns to ash). The by-product of all this combustion will be more heat, which will break down the pigments. You have now turned well-made, chemically balanced shoe polish into a nasty mud, stripped of it moisturizing properties and full of ash and other crud. You wanna rub that on your shoes, you go ahead. Leave mine alone.

All that said, if your polish is too cold, it won't cover well. Don't keep your polish in the freezer. That should keep it warm enough. As for all those other ideas; ice water, vodka, windex, floorwax, whatever...... I've seen them all. Teaching at the Infantry school, you see guys try everything to get that mirror shine in as little time as they can. There are a bunch of ways you can get a quick high gloss finish on your shoes, but if you want to have the shine, and the shoes, last the only secret is elbow grease. Use very little polish on a clean polish cloth, work in small cirlcles and dip you finger in some clean water to keep it moist. Keep working until the haze is gone then start again. After 2-3 coats and about 30 minutes, you should begin to see the effect you are going for.

The only "Militrary Myth" I read in this thread that I will vouch for is the one about pantyhose. I've tried it, and it does work. Brings back the shine and covers any scuffs. No flame or windex required.

Chris
Who can still count his teeth in the reflection off the toes of his shoes after 2 wearings to the office.
Very wise and, given what I've read in previous posts to this thread, timely advice. Having spent 31 years wearing a uniform (and before anyone goes out and ruins a good pair of shoes) I would recomend giving "anglophile's" post some serious consideration. The keys to a mirror like shine are time and effort. Anything less will result in damaged footgear and ruined tins of polish.
 
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