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I have a pair of chestnut Malverns and can't quite get the original matte orange tint. The closest colors of polish I have are a can of Kiwi in light tan and another in burgundy. Which one would be better? (I've been using the burgundy, for a brighter tint.)

Incidentally, what polish are you supposed to use with chestnut? Do some makers sell a special chestnut color?
 
I recently got some chestnut Loakes that came with tan polish. However, I used dark tan to get them to the shade I wanted, and then will use tan to maintain it.

Most speciallist shops will have a chestnut paste.
 
I asked this question to EG only last week,I have chestnut and burnt pine shoes and they sent me a tan for the chestnut and a brown for the burnt pine.It was EG branded polish and was £4.50 a tin.I have not used it yet so cant comment on the results or quality.
 
Meltonian "Boot & Shoe Cream Polish" offers a very wide array of cream polish colors.
I have a chestnut cream that I use on a variety of chestnut shoes from multiple makers.

That is only of use if you are up for using a cream vs. a wax polish.

Edit - it helps to spell That with at T
 
quote:Originally posted by Trying

Allen Edmonds sells a chestnut polish.
However, Allen-Edmonds' "Chestnut" is a very different color from the Chestnut color you see on EGs and almost all British shoes. The A-E chestnut is a very light tan with no red tone to it at all, whereas the British idea of chestnut is a kind of light-to-medium reddish tan. One could probably synthesize this color by taking a quantity of light tan polish and mixing it with a smaller amount of burgundy.

Originally posted by Benecios: I asked this question to EG only last week. I have chestnut and burnt pine shoes and they sent me a tan for the chestnut and a brown for the burnt pine. It was EG branded polish and was £4.50 a tin. I have not used it yet so cant comment on the results or quality.

Well at least you got a response from EG! I sent them the same question vis-a-vis my chestnut and burgundy EGs and the silence was deafening. :(

Vancouver
 
quote:Originally posted by josepidal

I have a pair of chestnut Malverns and can't quite get the original matte orange tint. The closest colors of polish I have are a can of Kiwi in light tan and another in burgundy. Which one would be better? (I've been using the burgundy, for a brighter tint.)

Incidentally, what polish are you supposed to use with chestnut? Do some makers sell a special chestnut color?
Johnston-Murphy sells a Tuscan Brown cream that is a reddish brown. Meltonian has a mahogany cream that is reddish brown.

I will often use a cream followed by a neutral wax.
 
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How do you mix waxes?

I recall being unsatisfied when I tried the tan polish because it seemed to look reddish with a pronounced yellow tint that looked bizarre. Then again, this may have been because the shoe service that put rubber protectors on the soles also cleaned the shoes using Meltonian cognac cream, which is slightly darker and redder than chestnut.

I liked the result of burgundy polish considering I don't own any burgundy shoes, but then the shoe does look a lot more red than chestnut is supposed to be.

If tan is the recommended color, I was thinking of cleaning the shoe and using the lightest brown cream instead of cognac, before the tan polish. I guess it's the red that makes the yellowish tan polish look bizarre.
 
Jose, when I have a pair of shoes that I am unable to match a wax or polish to I just use a neutral/clear kiwi polish. It is totally colorless, however, after applying several coats to a very very light tan pair of bruno magli wingtips, they have actually taken on an antiqued look where i rubbed harder such as on the tips and heels.

The look is not as drastic as most of your creations, but it is a subtle more natural look.

MrR

-Either way please keep posting pics

"Give me the luxuries in life and I'll gladly go without the necessities"
 
quote:Originally posted by Roger

quote:Originally posted by Trying

Allen Edmonds sells a chestnut polish.
However, Allen-Edmonds' "Chestnut" is a very different color from the Chestnut color you see on EGs and almost all British shoes. The A-E chestnut is a very light tan with no red tone to it at all, whereas the British idea of chestnut is a kind of light-to-medium reddish tan. One could probably synthesize this color by taking a quantity of light tan polish and mixing it with a smaller amount of burgundy.

Originally posted by Benecios: I asked this question to EG only last week. I have chestnut and burnt pine shoes and they sent me a tan for the chestnut and a brown for the burnt pine. It was EG branded polish and was £4.50 a tin. I have not used it yet so cant comment on the results or quality.

Well at least you got a response from EG! I sent them the same question vis-a-vis my chestnut and burgundy EGs and the silence was deafening. :(

Vancouver
Roger, what would your opinion be of the suitability of Allen-Edmonds chili polish for the reddish-tan British version of "chestnut"? From your description of that color, it sounds as if it would be a pretty good match.
 
There aren't, of course, nearly as many colors in waxes as there are in creams. As for creams, remember that Meltonian has a surprising number of colors. I don't know just what shade your EG's are, but check out the following colors from Meltonian to see if they're close:

- London Tan
- Cognac
- Goldenrod (may not be orange enough, but look anyway)

One of these will likely be what you need for coloration; you could always go over this with neutral wax (which is what I use). Please report back your results, as there are obviously others who need the same information.
 
I have enclosed a photo of the EG tan as I find it very difficult to describe colours.The photo does give an accurate view of the colour.

Also to address an earlier post I have found EG's service excellent and have never waited more than 24 hours for a response to an email.
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quote:Originally posted by JLibourel
what would your opinion be of the suitability of Allen-Edmonds chili polish for the reddish-tan British version of "chestnut"?
The A-E chili is considerably redder and a bit darker than the EG chestnut, which is ... chestnutty, for the lack of a better word. It's closer to tan than to chili, but in a darker, browner shade. I use Kiwi brown on my EG chestnut shoes, and have no problems with color alterations. I also use Kiwi brown on my chili A-E, and after a few years of that, it's gotten a nice complex patina with no special effort or faux-antiqueing.

I don't worry too much about exact color matches for waxes: close enough won't alter color much if at all, and they make your shoes look interesting and individual while still retaining their original character after a few years of wear. That's real antiqueing!

--Andre
 
quote:Originally posted by JLibourel
Roger, what would your opinion be of the suitability of Allen-Edmonds chili polish for the reddish-tan British version of "chestnut"? From your description of that color, it sounds as if it would be a pretty good match.
JLibourel, that's a really good suggestion. After reading Andre Yew's comparison of EG Chestnut and A-E Chili, I partly agree, but not fully. Unfortunately, none of my A-Es are in Chili (which, oddly enough, is a color I really like!), but I compared some pictures of Chili shoes in the A-E catalog with my Chestnut EGs (Ashbys) and C&Js (Westminsters), and would have to say that the A-E Chili color is a pretty good match to both. I think that Andre Yew is right in that the A-E Chili is a little darker, perhaps, than the Chestnut shade on British shoes, but not necessarily much redder--at least than my two pairs of Chestnut shoes. I'd have to say that the A-E Chili polish would very likely work well. To get a little closer, you could mix the Chili with a considerably smaller quantity of the A-E Chestnut, and you'd come very, very close to nailing it. I think I'd prefer to do it with the colors mixed in one application, rather than following Bengal-stripe's suggestion of alternating them, but suspect that the end result would be very similar.

I see in the A-E catalog that they don't seem to have Chili in their Carnauba Wax Shoe Polish any longer, but they do have the Premium Shoe Polish in Chili and a number of other colors (I use that product on my A-Es in the A-E Chestnut color). Since the Premium Shoe Polish is in more of a cream form (in tubes), it would be easy to do the custom mixing noted above. I'll have to get some Chili and try that on my British Chestnut shoes! I think it would work well. The A-E Premium Shoe Polish is rebranded Collonil (which I also use)--their "Waterstop Colours" product. This product is an oil-in-water emulsion that yields considerably better protection against water than regular shoe creams do. The A-E recrafting people characterize this Premium product of theirs as performing the function of both creams and wax polishes. It doesn't produce quite as high a shine as a (carnauba or beeswax) wax product, but it could always be given a top coat of neutral wax for greater protection and shine.

Up to this point, I have blended Woly creams of their Caramel and Red (a real red designed for women's shoes) to get the British Chestnut color. I've then finished this off with a top coat of neutral wax (I've used the Kelly's product, but Kiwi would do just as well). Instead of the Woly Caramel, Meltonian Light Brown or Brandy could be used. However, after this discussion, I think I will follow JLibourel's suggestion and try the A-E Chili, mixed with a little A-E Chestnut from their Premium Polish line.:)

Vancouver
 
We're lucky in New York. There's still a good
shoe repair shop in every neighborhood -- either
the local Andrade chain or 65 year old Italian
or Greek artisans. Most carry 50 or 60
colors of Meltonian cream, you're sure to
find the color. Just bring in the shoes, and
if in doubt, buy lighter not darker.


Charlie Channel-hunter
 
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That "tan" is more like light brown compared to Kiwi's really yellowish "tan".

At present, I'm using Meltonian's cognac, but as I said, I think that is a tad too red. I don't think my place had London tan available. Looks like I'll have to think about burgundy or dark brown for my shoes then.
 
If Meltonian's cognac is too red, then London tan will not help you. It's darker and redder, compared to cognac's orangey tint. I use cognac on my Allen Edmonds bourbon burnished calf, which is fairly similar to EG's chestnut (but perhaps redder...I'm not sure).
 
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