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Greetings to all,
I am a high school senior trying to assemble my wardrobe for the upcoming Prom. I am one of those guys who is always wearing a hat, not just a ball cap, but usually a drivers cap or fedora type felt hat. I figured a hat would complete the look for the tuxedo, but I wasn't exactly sure what kind of hat to wear. I was thinking either a bowler/derby or a fedora, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you guys think?
Thanks!
BEN
 
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Sorry about that, I haven't picked out my tux yet. I'm sure it will be a black tux, but I'm not quite sure about the collar. I have a beard that is long enough to just about hide a bowtie, so I'll probably wear a longer tie. I would assume that this means I would be wearing a lay-down collar shirt. Pardon my stupidity, I just don't know very much about tuxedos! Thanks for the help!
BEN
 
The trilby is, strictly speaking, incorrect with black tie. The homburg is correct. Leaving aside traditional usage, my own opinion is that the trilby is too floppy and sporty for black tie.
 
quote:Originally posted by PipeSmokeMcGee

What about a derby/bowler? Would that work?
1) According to tradition, no. It's a business hat. Semi-formal day wear, maybe. Black tie, no.

2) Beyond that, those things look REALLY costumey today, no matter who wears them, in what circumstance. The homburg is in itself so rare that it is almost costume. But the bowler long ago passed out of the realm even of eccentricity.
 
quote:Originally posted by Tom Bell-Drier

I`ve always liked the idea of a fez with a tux, a la "Tommy Cooper". although I`m fairly sure it wouldnt be regarded as sartorially correct.
It's only correct if you look like Sydney Greenstreet.
 
Black homburg is perfect for any style of black DJ. In summer, a shawl collar DJ works well with straw hat with a black band. But that is pretty much of only historical interest at this point, no?
 
quote:Originally posted by PipeSmokeMcGee

Greetings to all,
I am a high school senior trying to assemble my wardrobe for the upcoming Prom. I am one of those guys who is always wearing a hat, not just a ball cap, but usually a drivers cap or fedora type felt hat. I figured a hat would complete the look for the tuxedo, but I wasn't exactly sure what kind of hat to wear. I was thinking either a bowler/derby or a fedora, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you guys think?
Thanks!
BEN
Ben,

I fear that in their erstwhile efforts to give good advice, some of the members may be misuderstanding your circumstances. If you want to be strictly correct, your hat, whatever it is, will come off once you are indoors, as will your overcoat, if any. A man is never supposed to wear a hat indoors except for a few public places that are "almost outdoors," such as lobbies of office buildings. Also, if you want to be strictly correct, a long tie never belongs with a tuxedo. It doesn't matter that your beard would cover it up. A black bow-tie is what goes with a tuxedo, period.

However, from your post, I am inferring that, since you are a high-school student, and are "...always wearing a hat...," a hat for you is an article of personal expression and a way to show a bit of eccentricity. In that case, wear whatever you want, and whatever hat looks good to you. In my opinion, and I surmise that most members would agree, with a formal outfit, a hat does not look good without an overcoat. However, if it looks good to you, flaunt the rules and wear whatever you like. In fact, if there is one hat that is "yours," that when everyone sees a hat like that in the distance they think "that must be Ben," then I would consider wearing that hat with a tuxedo, even if it's a purple beret.

In other words, if you want to be correct, no hat. If you want personal expression above everything else, wear whatever hat you want. I suppose one exception would be a white dinner jacket at an outdoor event -- a straw boater with a black ribbon would be considered correct there (I think...)

Regards,
Tony
 
I would second the recommendations for a black Homburg as most appropriate. It may be a bit on the costume-y side, but I figure any high school senior who has grown a long beard--and I have to commend you; mine was pretty sparse and I only started shaving daily around the time I left prep school, but I was a little young--and made hats (not caps) a signature statement is not going to be averse to something a bit on the eccentric or costume-y. (To say nothing of your handle, "Pipe Smoke McGee"--I am sure my stepson, who is a little older than you, would rather be boiled in oil than known by such an appelation.)

At some risk, I am going to fly in the face of Manton's counsel (he is our foremost resident "guru," as you will soon find out if you hand around here any length of time), but several of the etiquette books and style guides that have been in my possession since Manton was a little shaver or even non-existent do permit a dressy dark gray or black fedora. Of course, with your long beard and a black fedora, most people will probably take you for a Torah-true Jew (not that I wish to imply that there is anything odious in that!).
 
Only a homburg is correct with formal dress, either black or, perhaps, a dark gray, depending upon the topcoat. I would recommend against a hat if you aren't wearing a topcoat.

Esse Quam Videre
 
Sometimes I wish I were of a Turkish/North African persuasion so I could wear a fez with no qualms.

I really do.

'Naturally, love's the most distant possibility.'

Georges Bataille
 
quote:Originally posted by LabelKing

Sometimes I wish I were of a Turkish/North African persuasion so I could wear a fez with no qualms.

I really do.

'Naturally, love's the most distant possibility.'

Georges Bataille
Just pop in a pipe or cigar, and away go the qualms!

...

I wish. I suffer from the same thing, man. 'Course I'm still trying to find a smoking jacket that's not either polyester or 2000 ****ing quid.

They buried him among the kings because he had done good toward God and toward his house.Inscription upon the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior, Westminster Abbey
 
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