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#21 ·
EclecticSr. said:
Ah Guest, pant rise should include two measurements. Front rise as well as rear rise which includes waist band in both fishtail trousers and split waistband (more common ). It doesn't stop at the zippers/buttoning point end since your waist doesn't stop......... below your waist.
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Rise is measured as the difference between the outseam and the inseam lengths. Rise is a single number. Front rise and rear rise I think may not be called rise by a tailor.
 
#22 ·
Matt S said:
Rise is measured as the difference between the outseam and the inseam lengths. Rise is a single number. Front rise and rear rise I think may not be called rise by a tailor.
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Technically true, but then what would a tailor call the other measurements.
How often when purchasing online from vendors or ebay they describe the rise as that front measurement and sometimes both especially when the trouser waist rises significantly front to back.

A purist would ascribe the method you describe and I fully understand both, but when replying to a GUEST'S silly post wherein the rise doesn't include the waistband, well all bets are off. ;)

Stay well my friend.
 
#23 ·
EclecticSr. said:
Technically true, but then what would a tailor call the other measurements.
How often when purchasing online from vendors or ebay they describe the rise as that front measurement and sometimes both especially when the trouser waist rises significantly front to back.

A purist would ascribe the method you describe and I fully understand both, but when replying to a GUEST'S silly post wherein the rise doesn't include the waistband, well all bets are off. ;)

Stay well my friend.
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I had a great tailor tell me that he didn't measure the waistband in the rise, but if you consider that not all trousers have a waistband then it doesn't make things consistent.
 
#24 ·
Matt S said:
I had a great tailor tell me that he didn't measure the waistband in the rise, but if you consider that not all trousers have a waistband then it doesn't make things consistent.
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Matt, I have Oxxford trousers that do not have separate waistband which are an example as you describe. I frankly like them that way, add side adjusters and I'm all in. Alas, OTR hard if not impossible to find. So, to my mind rise measurement should be taken to top of trouser waist whether or not there is separate band regardless of method of measurement. The world is full of inconsistencies but we use what works for us and makes sense.

I'm still learning.
 
#28 ·
Blessed are we
Flanderian said:
May we all be so blessed as to procure trousers so well cut and fitted, and beautifully made. -

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I realize there are valid differences of preference as to cut and fit, but both trousers and shirt are precisely as I would wish.
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who have found rise at that optimal point sans mathematics.
Flanderian said:
May we all be so blessed as to procure trousers so well cut and fitted, and beautifully made. -

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I realize there are valid differences of preference as to cut and fit, but both trousers and shirt are precisely as I would wish.
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Blessed are we who have found such, sans mathematics .
 
#29 ·
EclecticSr. said:
Matt, I have Oxxford trousers that do not have separate waistband which are an example as you describe. I frankly like them that way, add side adjusters and I'm all in. Alas, OTR hard if not impossible to find. So, to my mind rise measurement should be taken to top of trouser waist whether or not there is separate band regardless of method of measurement. The world is full of inconsistencies but we use what works for us and makes sense.

I'm still learning.
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I want to thank Andy for allowing me on his Legendary forum.
Pant drafts do not include the waistband. It's figured in by the tailor. Also, the proportion is a rough guide to design from. Everyone's proportions are a bit different. It's not written in stone. On a larger waist the line is more angled -so it must be more accordingly - to reach the same height.
 
#31 ·
Franks said:
I want to thank Andy for allowing me on his Legendary forum.
Pant drafts do not include the waistband. It's figured in by the tailor. Also, the proportion is a rough guide to design from. Everyone's proportions are a bit different. It's not written in stone. On a larger waist the line is more angled -so it must be more accordingly - to reach the same height.
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Thanks, that's useful information! 👍

But has Andy told you yet about the AAAC initiation!? :eek:

 
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