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my wife and I are invited to a friend's wedding and reception in September. The reception will be the day after the wedding at a local bar, but the invite specifies cocktail attire as the mode of dress.

Are we talking dress casual, as in chinos, dress shirt and such? Or, do I just show up in my suit sans tie and coat?
 
If they are using the term correctly, then it means a suit for a man. I tend to think of it as a dark suit, perhaps not as conservative as typical business dress. Think nighttime, a little more glamour and glitz. The problem you face, however, is if the couple sending the invitation is using the term correctly. When I receive an invitation for a dinner event from my organization, I know that the term cocktail attire means I'm wearing a suit, but not everyone knows the correct use of that term.
 
I began my posts on Andy's Forums in the Trad with a question on this very subject. It has been beaten to death over there, my own fists and bats are well worn. Yes, a suit, dark suit, but beyond that, there is little agreement. Take a look over there.
This is one of my favorite subjects because it comes up so frequently 'in real life'. For my money, a navy or very dark gray suit, solid shirt and a subdued and modestly proportioned bowtie are perfect.
Plenty of room to disagree and consider climate, social setting and other community 'norms' to make it a real muddle.
Endless fun!
 
Perhaps some disagreement on the accessories (I'd rather pair with a dark red tie with a bit of sheen to it), but pretty universal agreement that it means a dark suit.
Absolutely right. But as you note earlier many folks use the term incorrectly, so it is often exceedingly difficult to be confident about the host's intentions and expectations. Sometimes it is best to just call host to confirm.
 
I'm going to an engagement party tomorrow night and the dress code is cocktail. The host confirmed that he will be wearing a suit.

Here is my conundrum. I have lost a lot of weight in the past 6 months (went from a 48R to a 43R!) and, since I am waiting until my weight stabilizes to really splurge on wardrobe again, my closet is a little lacking. I have tried to avoid spending a lot of money on suits until I am sure of my size (at which point I am going to commission two bespoke suits from my tailor).

Long story short, at the moment, I only have one suit that fits me. It is a Navy pinstripe, and looks very business-y.

Should I wear the navy pinstripe or can I get away with wearing a navy blazer with grey trousers? I know the navy blazer is less formal, but a pinstripe suit feels inappropriate for an engagement party.

Any thoughts?
 
L-Feld, I'm in a similar boat (with the caveat that my navy blazer fits much better than my navy suit), and I wear it without a second thought for "suit" occasions -- not a funeral, but certainly a party. I did a job interview in it as well, but for a seriously entry-level position in clothing retail (I got it). I would suggest that you do the one you'd be more comfortable in, though, and if that's the suit, then go for it.

I would suggest sticking to relatively dressy furnishings -- white shirt with a non-BD collar, a grenadine tie if you have one, or a neat, and black shoes if you want. Patterned silk square if solid tie, solid square if patterned tie.
 
L-Feld, I'm in a similar boat (with the caveat that my navy blazer fits much better than my navy suit), and I wear it without a second thought for "suit" occasions -- not a funeral, but certainly a party. I did a job interview in it as well, but for a seriously entry-level position in clothing retail (I got it). I would suggest that you do the one you'd be more comfortable in, though, and if that's the suit, then go for it.

I would suggest sticking to relatively dressy furnishings -- white shirt with a non-BD collar, a grenadine tie if you have one, or a neat, and black shoes if you want. Patterned silk square if solid tie, solid square if patterned tie.
I think this is very sound advice, L-field. You should be fine either way. If you go the navy blazer route, I'd opt for gray trousers over tan, and the darker the better in this case. It has been observed, correctly in my view, that charcoal gray trousers are aesthetically sub-optimal when paired with a navy blazer, but such a pairing is certainly sartorially appropriate and would be closest to a suit in terms of formality.
 
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Okay, fine. But I'm still wearing a bow tie.
Honestly? You could do a BD, but I would feel like I was pushing it with a BD and a navy blazer. The bow tie might actually salvage that -- makes it clear that those are choices, not compromises.
 
Honestly? You could do a BD, but I would feel like I was pushing it with a BD and a navy blazer. The bow tie might actually salvage that -- makes it clear that those are choices, not compromises.
Just kidding around, really. In the same spirit as above, I only have two non-button down shirts at the moment. One is a tuxedo shirt, the other is a point collar w/french cuffs that I wear when I meet pro bono clients. I wear OCBD's to work every day.

I have a knee jerk apprehension to wearing french cuffs with a blazer, but I suppose I'm in no position to get into the minutae of formality right now.

Perhaps I should suck it up and buy a point collar barrel cuffed shirt tomorrow.
 
I realize that others will disagree, but I would not be reluctant to wear a french cuff shirt with a navy blazer, especially in a cocktail attire setting. While many knowledgeable gents wear french cuffs only with suits, this is hardly a rule; and gray trousers with a navy blazer is just a smidge below a suit in terms of formality. If you are trying to close that gap as much as possible, I would think that french cuffs would be desireable.
 
I realize that others will disagree, but I would not be reluctant to wear a french cuff shirt with a navy blazer, especially in a cocktail attire setting. While many knowledgeable gents wear french cuffs only with suits, this is hardly a rule; and gray trousers with a navy blazer is just a smidge below a suit in terms of formality. If you are trying to close that gap as much as possible, I would think that french cuffs would be desireable.
Well, in that case, maybe I will go with the french cuffs.
 
^ +1 Yes, if you wish to de-formal the french cuffs, use silk knot links instead of metal unless your blazer has nautical buttons. Then I would get links to match. I have a OCBD shirt coming in the mail with french cuffs for that express purpose. And if I'm feeling really casual, I'll wear a neckerchief under the shirt instead of a tie.
 
While I agree that they are more "businessy" I don't know of a rule that forbids you to wear a pinstriped suit to a wedding, party or funeral. It's not the best choice, but it's not going to earn you a scarlet letter or anything.

Sometimes "better ideas" get turned into "rules" by consensus. This leads to occasionally overstating things.
 
While I agree that they are more "businessy" I don't know of a rule that forbids you to wear a pinstriped suit to a wedding, party or funeral. It's not the best choice, but it's not going to earn you a scarlet letter or anything.

Sometimes "better ideas" get turned into "rules" by consensus. This leads to occasionally overstating things.
I agree with this. The "rule" is dark business suit. While pinstripe might not be optimal, it is certainly within the rule and acceptable. And while gray trousers and a navy blazer (with tie and non BD-collar dress shirt) might be technically outside the rule, it would not be considered egregiously so even by those of us who know and care about the rules.
 
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