What is your opinion on the JCPenney clothing brand know as St. John's Bay?
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St. Johns Bay
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First thought: Poor man's (or woman's) Lands End.
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Up until reading this I thought it was a WalMart house 'brand'. Probably tells you all you need to know...
BTW, focus group participants usually get paid...
BTW, focus group participants usually get paid...
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Has kind of an ageist cast, doesnt it?
I am not certain how one brand of polos is conceptually different from another, but here goes...
I've been using polos from Penney since I worked my way back up to the curb. They used to be OK quality for cut rate, but this season they are not as nice as they used to be and I don't intend to get any more. They do not feel as good, the lapels fly away, and the sleeve opening tend to get rather loose looking. The Claiborne polos still feel nice but the lapels also want to fly away.
I used to go there occasionally to post something conventionally correct. It's like kicking over an anthill.
I am not certain how one brand of polos is conceptually different from another, but here goes...
I've been using polos from Penney since I worked my way back up to the curb. They used to be OK quality for cut rate, but this season they are not as nice as they used to be and I don't intend to get any more. They do not feel as good, the lapels fly away, and the sleeve opening tend to get rather loose looking. The Claiborne polos still feel nice but the lapels also want to fly away.
I used to go there occasionally to post something conventionally correct. It's like kicking over an anthill.
My wife used to buy that brand. All I can tell you is that it is nothing but crap.
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I bought a couple long sleeve polos a few years back and they lasted about 2 years before they were unwearable. Will not buy again.
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As a very wise fellow recently observed, in response to a thread addressing men wearing the color pink, I find myself really disturbed by threads like this. As so many of us offer commentary that seemingly criticises the clothing offered at Pennys and Walmart we also appear to degrade those choosing to shop for their clothing needs at J C Penny, Walmart, etc., and we come off sounding like a group of sophomoric, pompous a**es. The reality is that many of those shopping at such stores, do so because that is where they can afford to shop! Indeed, the items they buy may not wear as comfortably or prove as durable as upscale versions of the same, but if they fit the wearer and are clean and properly maintained, who are we to criticize? The fashion police, perhaps!
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I generally agree with that observation, however, I'm not sure anyone thus far has actually made commentary on the consumer here. If someone is on a budget, I almost always recommend the Merona brand at Target - affordable, classic, basics in the American style and some reasonable quality. It's clear that Target actually stop and think a little about the ranges they put together. JCP and many others would do well to do the same.As a very wise fellow recently observed, in response to a thread addressing men wearing the color pink, I find myself really disturbed by threads like this. As so many of us offer commentary that seemingly criticises the clothing offered at Pennys and Walmart we also appear to degrade those choosing to shop for their clothing needs at J C Penny, Walmart, etc., and we come off sounding like a group of sophomoric, pompous a**es. The reality is that many of those shopping at such stores, do so because that is where they can afford to shop! Indeed, the items they buy may not wear as comfortably or prove as durable as upscale versions of the same, but if they fit the wearer and are clean and properly maintained, who are we to criticize? The fashion police, perhaps!
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^^
At this point in the thread, I agree with your conclusion, but give it time...the conversation will devolve, as it seems to have done in the past. (Heavy sigh!) The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior!
PS: I do hope the membership proves me wrong, on this one!
At this point in the thread, I agree with your conclusion, but give it time...the conversation will devolve, as it seems to have done in the past. (Heavy sigh!) The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior!
PS: I do hope the membership proves me wrong, on this one!
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About a dozen years ago, the quality of JCP clothing fell off a cliff and has continued to plummet. I've ignored it for a long time. Prior to that time JCP was a go-to source of mine for some basics like cotton/poly PJ's. They are an example of what I consider a basic utilitarian item that I would not spend significant amounts of money for. They simply had to fit, be comfortable, not too ugly and not shred upon laundering. JCP's PJ's used to routinely exceed my expectations. Now they fail them all.
If I find something at an inexpensive store that works for my needs, I have no problem buying it. A recent example being socks at Target. They happily share space with my indulgences from Scott Nichol.
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That remains a slight against LE, since the styles offered from each are quite different.
The exceptions:
The sole SJB-designed item I have is a tartan shirt from some years ago. It was a rare attractive pattern, but it only gets worn in the fall.
Otherwise, the madras shirts they acquired a year ago are the only things I have, and they were certainly value for money at less then $10 a pop. They had more patterns available at one time than any other brand I could think of. Now they fetch a bit more on eBay.
Those are the only positives I can think of.
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Inexpensive basics, but not particularly durable.
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The few times I remember trying on any St Johns Bay the cut was always terrible as well. Total crap.
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Fair enough, but there are exceptions. Perhaps four or five years back, Penny's offered stout vintage cloth versions of their St John's Bay chinos for, as I recall, $14.95 a pair. In a quest to find a good pair of cheap chinos I picked up a couple pair. After all this time, a lot of hard wear and countless launderings, I'm still wearing those chinos. Pretty reasonable value, methinks!
Fair enough, but there are exceptions. Perhaps four or five years back, Penny's offered stout vintage cloth versions of their St John's Bay chinos for, as I recall, $14.95 a pair. In a quest to find a good pair of cheap chinos I picked up a couple pair. After all this time, a lot of hard wear and countless launderings, I'm still wearing those chinos. Pretty reasonable value, methinks!
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Sorry I'm late! I have several pairs of St. John's Bay chinos and really like them. They wrinkle a lot less than Lands' End and come out of the wash ready to wear.
I bought several pair for golf and tend to wear them casually too.
But then I've never tried a pair of Bill's that I liked!!
I bought several pair for golf and tend to wear them casually too.
But then I've never tried a pair of Bill's that I liked!!
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With your permission may I revise my initial comment (#2 of this thread) : On second thought, a rich man's Lands End.
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Alan
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Disagree. Over the years I have purchased many well constructed, reasonably priced, all-cotton items from JCPenny under the St John's Bay name. However, I don't feel that I'm making much of a contribution to this thread by telling you this because if you were to go to Pennys and view the present St John's Bay merchandise it is vastly different from what it once was. You may not even find St John's Bay at JCPenny soon because it may be one of the many house brands slated to be discontinued as they restructure their marketing.
At present St John's Bay and Land's End seem to be at the same level, competing for the same customer with merchandise coming from the lowest priced vendor.
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