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Modern Tailor has a hidden buttondown collar among its options. I'm sure they're not alone in that, though it also does not seem to be a very common style. Or ... maybe it is, and the buttons are so well-hidden, I don't even know they're there?

I'm not sure what the hidden buttondown looks like without a tie. It actually might turn out more weird looking than an askew straight collar. I don't really know. If I've ever seen one, I didn't know it.

Lots of sport shirts have non-buttondown collars that don't fly around crazily without a tie, though that does happen with some dress shirt collars, if not all of them. Just to cite one rather obvious example: polo shirt collars look pretty normal, and they (almost) never button down. I guess smaller and softer are advantages.
 
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zzdocxx said:
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Pinpoint IS Oxford

forsbergacct2000 said:
There's no rule against it, but you can probably find better shirts than that to wear without a tie. The button down oxford cloth is not nearly as formal a shirt and would look better than that shirt.
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Oxford cloth comes in three grades, depending on the thread count: Plain Oxford, Pinpoint Oxford, and Royal Oxford, in ascending level of perceived formality. Hence, the Pinpoint, while more "formal" than the plain, is still a relatively "soft" and informal cloth style.

Unless one is particularly fussy, a shirt made of any of these should be perfectly suited to wear without a tie, with or without collar point buttoning. It's broadcloth - plain or end-to-end - that is usually considered to be the most formal day-to-day shirting, with poplin perhaps intermediary between that and the Oxfords in formality. A shirt made of any of them could be worn with an open collar, IMO, depending mainly on collar style.

As Jovan has pointed out, the stiffer the collar, the less likely it will look well open. That's because stiffer fused or otherwise reinforced (with built-in stays, for instance) collars are going to tend to protrude outward when unrestrained by a tie.
 
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