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Discussion starter · #22 ·
The thing was, that unlike the NF very few, if any, of these young new swastika adorned "skinheads" were racists or nazis. Like their compatriots amongst the punks they were just acting out and using nazi imagery to shock the establishment and their (mostly middle class) parents.

"The skins who supported the teds were traditionalists. They were reviving almost exactly what the original skins had been, with their smartness, working class ethics and attitudes. These people regarded the punks as if they were middle class hippies ten years on. (I still do -James ;)) They hated the new plastic skins."
Centaur, there's two class references for you in my previous post.

There was however a big difference betwen the real working class of the original skins of 69 and the plastic working class image adopted by punk-skins in the 80s just to piss off their middle class parents.
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
I think the anonymity of youth started in the late 80s,early 90s with grunge and the indie kid style, neither of whihc was a style at all. They both just wore leisure clothes in a certain way. Grunge = lumberjack shirt open over a t-shirt, jeans and trainers.
Indie kid = basically what everyone was already wearing anyway, focus on nice shoes, jackets and shoulder bags.

Which is why I admire goths so much. Many of them still keeping the faith since the mid-80s. At least they still make an effort.
 
Centaur, there's two class references for you in my previous post.

There was however a big difference betwen the real working class of the original skins of 69 and the plastic working class image adopted by punk-skins in the 80s just to piss off their middle class parents.
Yes, I noticed. I think your post must have appeared while I was busy writing my slightly later one.

By the 80s, the working class was dead on its feet in any case.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
You do? I can't take them seriously, it seems a very contrived and predictable look, to me.
I didn't say I took them seriously, that would be a bridge too far;) I simply admire their spirit and effort to maintain a look. Which is no different to anyone wanting to keep up a specfic image, be it skinhead, country gentleman, mercant banker, football casual or goth.
 
Also, could our Australian members, if they were there at the time, tell us a bit about the fashions of the Sharpies of the 60s and 70s (Not to be confused with the SHARP skins that started in the US in the late 80s).

The gang in Romper Stomper, from what I can remember were basically racist Australian skinheads rather than Sharpies. Or have I got that wrong?

There was a small outcropping of Sharpies in Glasgow, basically a sub group of smooths but with longer hair again and most outstandingly dyed sideburns in bright blue or red. Some of the younger workers in the railway works and corporation sported this look. White jeans were often worn (but not at their work - dirty hard jobs).
The skins in Romper Stomper were just boneheads and glue sniffing tosspots.
AC/DC first gigged for a mostly Sharpie audience allegedly.
 
I didn't say I took them seriously, that would be a bridge too far;) I simply admire their spirit and effort to maintain a look. Which is no different to anyone wanting to keep up a specfic image, be it skinhead, country gentleman, mercant banker, football casual or goth.
An old school conteporary of mine is a librarian at the National Library in Edinburgh and a diehard goth. He goes to work on a daily basis in Victorian mourning attire, Frock coat, waistcoat, shirt with a come to god collar, button boots etc. Bloody nutter but a good guy.
 
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Doc Marten's boots yet.
Oops. I'm surprised I didn't read the previous posts properly. Apologies to all previous DM mentioners ;)

BTW I understand that the company shifted manufacturing overseas a number of years ago and have only fairly recently started producing a limited range of shoes/boots back in Northants. For a period of time Solovair were the only company making 'Airwair' style boots in the UK.
 
BTW I understand that the company shifted manufacturing overseas a number of years ago and have only fairly recently started producing a limited range of shoes/boots back in Northants. For a period of time Solovair were the only company making 'Airwair' style boots in the UK.
Yes, that's correct - you have to pay extra for the 'Made in England' shoes. Incidentally, my father, who was always a bit of a shoe collector/fetishist, once had a special pair of Dr Marten-type shoes which I believe were called 'Astronauts'. The quality of the leather, which was a sort of bronzey olive green colour, seemed superior. Has anyone else here heard of them, or is my memory playing more tricks on me?
 

Some of the younger workers in the railway works and corporation sported this look. White jeans were often worn (but not at their work - dirty hard jobs). QUOTE]

I recall having White Jeans and they were called "Skinners" anyone else remember that make? I Got sent home from high school for wearing them there one day, I don't think the head liked the look !!! Funny I still like to sport White jeans now and again to this day.
 
Indeed. see my new post. The skins of the 80s were three different breeds. Many were basically punks dressed partially as skins. Others were NF and BM boneheads with not a suit, a Ben Sherman of a pair of loafers between them, listening to skrewdriver and other racist bands, not that there were many such bands. And then there were those who had revived the original style and listening to 2 tone and ska. And in many cases like the new Mods also listening to soul.

BTW, I mentioned Dr. Marten's in my opening post. Did you read it? ;)
NYC skin style was a blend of both variations. Boots, braces and flights were the standard (with a sprinkling of denim jackets), however t-shirts, Ben Shermans or Fred Perrys were all equally represented. At $60 each, Fred Perrys were (and still are) a tough purchase for working class kids. Also, musical taste was a mix of usually Oi! and SKA. Skins started the NYHC scene, but you'd be hard pressed to find a skin at a present day Hardcore show. If so, they make sure to display a prominent SHARP patch or pin on their flight to avoid any altercations.

NYC Punks adopted the boots and braces (worn dangling down from the waist), but unlike skins, adopted the unbathed style as well. Don't even get me started on the bum patches.

BTW- Skrewdriver originally had a black member.
 
NYC Punks adopted the boots and braces (worn dangling down from the waist), but unlike skins, adopted the unbathed style as well. Don't even get me started on the bum patches.
The braces dangling down is a big hit in the UK with the young guys at the moment you see lots of guys wearing them like this and on display in shops windows. Not sure I fully like the style but at least it is helping bring braces back into the mainstream again.

Now what are those bum patches???
 
Discussion starter · #34 ·
Oops. I'm surprised I didn't read the previous posts properly. Apologies to all previous DM mentioners ;)

BTW I understand that the company shifted manufacturing overseas a number of years ago and have only fairly recently started producing a limited range of shoes/boots back in Northants. For a period of time Solovair were the only company making 'Airwair' style boots in the UK.
The truth of the matter is far simpler in that Solovair never stopped making Dr. Martens in England....and the "new" Made in England Dr. Martens are I believe made by ...Solovair! Ever decreasing circles ;)
 
Yes, that's correct - you have to pay extra for the 'Made in England' shoes. Incidentally, my father, who was always a bit of a shoe collector/fetishist, once had a special pair of Dr Marten-type shoes which I believe were called 'Astronauts'. The quality of the leather, which was a sort of bronzey olive green colour, seemed superior. Has anyone else here heard of them, or is my memory playing more tricks on me?
Hawkins Astronauts, they also made a combat style boot with hook fastenings for the upper laces called Paradocs.
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
https://www.waningmoon.com/corpgoth/

I think the real difference between goths and trads isn't the absence or presence of color, but that goths actually care, whereas trads JDGAF.
I'm sorry but I don't know what you're talking about. If you're talking about trads as in Ivy league tradders on this site, then you've misunderstood the thread.
But if you are in fact talking about traditional skinheads then you couldn't be more wrong if you tried, because the original British skinheads cared immensely about their appearance both in 1969 and now. The attention to detail was/is astounding, stitched in double half-inch turnups on jeans. The size of the check on a shirt indicated your standing in a gang. The number of buttons and ticket pockets on your tonic suit. The length of your sideburns. The patina you created on your brown or oxblood boots by rubbing black polish into the cracks. The colour of your Fred Perry tennis shirt & its piping often indicating your football team, always mid blue with white piping for me to indicate QPR. The half-inch braces with white backing. And so on.
Being a traditional skinhead was as much about pride, neatness and good clobber as it was about music, football, beer and birds.
 
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