Tailored blazer and Hugo Boss Suit Separate

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  1. Wilx

    Wilx Starting Member

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    Hello! I want to buy a tailored blazer and need some help.

    First of all, how good are they? Are they really THAT better cause Zara costs like 100 euros and you even can find blazers for 50 euros in H&M. But tailored suit in Monokel (tailor in my country) costs 600 (!) euros. Are they THAT much comfortable than Zara?

    Secondly, since it costs some money I’m afraid that I can lose or gain some weight and that money will be thrown in trash bin. So my question is: let’s say I buy myself 46 size blazer. How much kilos I can get or lose before I will need 45 or 47 size? I need to know my limits.

    Also, does anyone have or know something about Hugo Boss Suit Separate stuff? I bought one of their blazers thinking that Separate means that I can buy pants from any other brand or even mix them with some jeans. But when I attended the store to get some pants there shop assistant told me that even if I find pants with totally same color but from another line or brand it still won’t be a thing because people will notice that structure of fabrics is different.

    So why this collection is called Separate if I still need pants with same fabric and manufacturer?

    And can I wear this blazer with jeans?

    Like these for example:

    https://goo.gl/NZwLN4

    Or is it that kind of blazer you wear only with classic pants?

    Also I noticed one more thing: when there are sales shop assistants don’t save your items for later. Why? Because during “the normal” days they do.
     

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  2. momsdoc

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  3. Wilx

    Wilx Starting Member

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    Yeah, I know, English is not my main language.
     
  4. SG_67

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    Wilx:
    I think what momsdoc is referring to is the rambling nature of your post and the questions. Let me summarize if I may:

    1) questions of value, cost and quality are incredibly subjective. What is your budget and what are you comfortable with? Is a Hugo Boss jacket better than one from Zara? It depends on what we are using to define better.

    The fabric and construction are probably better but you have to decide if the premium is worth it.

    2) gaining and losing weight is always an issue. If you are in the process of losing weight until you’ve reached your target. If your question is of a more rhetorical nature, then I think the more tailored garment will likely have a better capacity of being altered. As a general rule, a good alterations tailor can resize the jakcet one size up or down.

    3) I have no clue as to Boss separates. Separates are typically sold if a persons body type fails to fit into the standard sizing and drop between jacket and pants.

    4) holding merchandise for a customer is a policy that varies from merchant to merchant.
     
  5. Wilx

    Wilx Starting Member

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    150 euros is fine for me. I’ve bought two Hugo Boss and one Tommy Hilfiger for this price. But that was during the sale.

    It’s just I can’t find pairing pants for this blazer anywhere in my country. So I don’t know what to wear with it.
     
  6. momsdoc

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    Your written English is very good, almost like a native speaker.

    That’s the good news. The bad news is that your comprehension is a bit too literal.

    The term Suit Seperates refers to a suit in which you buy the jacket and the trousers of the SAME suit seperatly. As SG tired to tell you, this is done for men whose waist and jacket sizes do not correspond with the size differential between the two that the manufacturer normally make. Most jackets are sized 6 inches larger than the trousers. For example, a size 40 jacket usually comes with size 34 trousers. This 6 inch difference is known as “the drop”. 6 inches is the usual standard.

    Now since a jacket can be altered by an inch, and the trousers by up to 2 inches, that allow a man to have a drop from 3 to 9 inches, and still be able to have the suit altered to fit him. When he is outside that range, or doesn’t wish to have the tailoring performed to the extreme, he must purchase a jacket in his size and then the trousers in a SEPERATE size. Most suits do not come this way. Those that do are known as SUIT SEPERATES.

    They are not meant to be worn SEPERATLY, but TOGETHER. That is why you cannot find a pair of trousers that look correct with the jacket you purchased. It is not a sports coat, nor a blazer, but a suit jacket. Suit jackets only look proper when paired with their intended trousers.

    Sports Coats and Blazers are meant to be paired with a myriad of “odd” trousers and look great. It is a very rare suit jacket that can do the same, and even then usually looks a little off.

    The only solution to your problem is to go back to the store and buy the matching trousers, or return the jacket and start over. If what you want is a suit, both items must be purchased together, from the same model, material, dye lot and manufacturer. If you are looking for a jacket to wear with various trousers, then you must but a Sports Coat or Blazer. Do not buy a jacket that looks like a suit jacket but is labeled as a Sports Coat or Blazer ( a common marketing ploy). They are quite different in their look and materials/pattern/buttons etc.

    Gaining or losing weight is part of life, and except for growth or shrinkage with age is under your control. I would generally guesstimate that for a well fitting unaltered suit, that 7-10 kilos is the maximum range for alterations. Taking in is more reliable than letting out, as some manufacturers leave less excess material than others. A number of UK Harris Tweed jackets I have purchased have zero extra material and can never be let out, only taken in. This is not because they are trying to save money, rather that the thick material would leave a marked ridge at the seams if there was excess material. As an example, I purchased. Cordings of Piccadilly tweed suit and had to spend $60 to return it to the UK and $50 to res hip it to the US when I discovered I needed the next size up, and could not let it out at all. Luckily their Black Friday sale compensated for what otherwise would have been an expensive learning experience. I can now order from them online with confidence, and even have them pre alter the sleeves and trouser hems.
     
  7. Charles Dana

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    A navy blazer is an extremely versatile garment. (I’m referring to a true blazer and not to a dark blue suit jacket.) I think a blazer looks best when paired with light gray or tan wool trousers. For a step down in dressiness, wear it with tan or stone-colored cotton chinos—that is also an excellent look.

    But don’t worry if you are unable to obtain wool trousers or if you don’t prefer light-colored cotton trousers. You can wear a blazer with blue jeans if you do not have—or do not desire—other options. It’s the most casual way to wear a blazer, and a lot of people don’t prefer to do it, but jeans with a blazer can be done, and it can be done well. You’ll need to make sure that the blue jeans are somewhat lighter in color than the blazer, fit you well, and are in very good condition: no trendy holes or rips.
     
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  8. momsdoc

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    Charles, that’s good advice on blazers.

    Read the OP’s thread carefully. Though he asks about buying a blazer, he later comments that he has bought a “blazer” from Hugo Boss’s Suit Seperates line. Obviously the jacket of a suit seperate is a suit jacket, not a blazer. That makes me wonder if the OP know the difference to begin with, and if he’s really referencing purchasing a blazer at all? Is he really looking for a sports coat? Has he purchased a suit jacket from the seperates line and trying to use it as a blazer or sports coat? Does he want a suit, and erroneously think he can make it more useful by pairing it with odd trousers?
     
  9. Charles Dana

    Charles Dana Advanced Member

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    Momsdoc—

    Good points. My intent was to give the OP general advice about true blazers, but I neglected to tell him the following, which I will do now:

    Wilx: Return the suit jacket—it should be worn only with the suit trousers that it was intended to be worn with—trousers of exactly the same color and fabric. Then shop for a navy blazer (if you really want one). A navy blue suit jacket is not a navy blazer.
     

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