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    I suppose this happens every now and then when you "walk the dinosaur" of reactionary clothing. There have been some rumblings in parts of the tradosphere about things like geneology, bloodlines, authenticity, and other nonsense. Ralph Lauren was persona non grata for a while, but it looks like Muffy Aldrich may have taken his place.

    Some days, I wonder if a goyische mob will come to strip me of my natural shoulders. As an antidote, I thought we should compile a list of notable Landsmen who have a contribution to "our thing."

    In no particular order:

    - The Press family
    - Lisa Birnbach
    - Charlie Davidson (I think?)
    - Paul Newman
    - Marty and Elliot Gant
    - Abe Ribicoff
    - Bob & Sue Prenner
    - Paul Winston
    - Does Murray Rothbard count?

    And of course, I have to give a local plug to Eddie Jacobs, Ken Himmelstein, and the Cohen family.

    So to my fellow Landsmen, I say, L'Chaim.


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    Christian made a list a couple of years back about all the Jewish TNSIL retailers. There's a bunch.

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    That list would have to include thousands of men in smaller communities across the country who've sent young men out the door lookin' good since at least the late 1800s. My own addition would be Mr. Leon Sugar of Lumberton, NC. If WASPs had been allowed to dress themselves, who knows what "Ivy" would look like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phyrpowr View Post
    If WASPs had been allowed to dress themselves, who knows what "Ivy" would look like?
    This might be a "chicken-and-egg" question, but did the WASPs just wear what the Jewish tailors provided them? Or did the Jewish tailors provide the garments the WASPs wanted?
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    Goyische? Landsman? L'Chaim? "Dress British think Yiddish" in a forum about American Ivy League style?
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    I was raised Catholic in the Midwest, so I'm not sure what to make of any of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliesin View Post
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    Goyische? Landsman? L'Chaim? "Dress British think Yiddish" in a forum about American Ivy League style?
    Given just how few actual WASPs one finds in the Ivy Leagues these days, it couldn't be more appropriate.

    That said, during the 'golden years' of Ivy style, the 1950s and 1960s, there was still a "numerus clausus" in place limiting the numbers of Jews (and I think some other immigrant minority groups, including Italians). The number was still higher, proportionately speaking, than in the national population, but still. And at Yale the difference was often that the Jews and Italians were local; I bet that was the case at Harvard as well. There was also generally a profound class difference. As well as a difference in attitude. The average WASP Yalie got into Yale via a prep school and was not really expected to study hard. One was there for "character," hence the idea of the "gentleman's C." The immigrant students (Jews, Italians, etc.) had a different agenda. One motivation for the cap on Jews and Italians was that the immigrants ruined the atmosphere, with all their studying and so forth. All that changed of course in the early-to-mid 1970s, when the Ivies went co-ed and became meritocratic.

    Anyway, I wonder to what except clothing was used by different sub-groups at the Ivies to signify 'tribal' identities…something not unlike what happens at a high school. One group wore what was in fashion…others did not. Might a sack suit and soft shoulders have been used to signify being part of an in-group? Were there sartorial queues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phyrpowr View Post
    That list would have to include thousands of men in smaller communities across the country who've sent young men out the door lookin' good since at least the late 1800s. My own addition would be Mr. Leon Sugar of Lumberton, NC. If WASPs had been allowed to dress themselves, who knows what "Ivy" would look like?
    Just about all the department stores in the country until recently...

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    Robert Halperin was one of the founders of Land's End.

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    The local men's stores, that were( past tense) in business, were Jewish owned.....great service, great salesmen( many were Gentiles,) I miss them terribly.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamma68 View Post
    This might be a "chicken-and-egg" question, but did the WASPs just wear what the Jewish tailors provided them? Or did the Jewish tailors provide the garments the WASPs wanted?
    There were many jewish and italian tailors that were brought into companies like Brooks and other places to make clothing, such as the Greco brothers (later of Southwick). So I'd say it was more your WASPs needing someone to make their clothes.

    Before I worked at the mens store this summer, my boss had worked at Goldstein's which was right next door from the 40's to the 60's. One day my boss (who was a stockboy/sorta salesman) got mad that they didn't sell enough ivy league tweeds when a sales rep came around, so he sold his car and opened up shop next door. Anways, I noticed a lot of our older customers would still refer to him as "a goldstein boy".
    There was also a lot of prejudice in the Ivy clothing business, I know for example, Bunce Brothers was supposedly pretty anti-semetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamma68 View Post
    This might be a "chicken-and-egg" question, but did the WASPs just wear what the Jewish tailors provided them? Or did the Jewish tailors provide the garments the WASPs wanted?
    I think a capsule history would be that Anglo-Saxon Brooks Brothers set the stage for what constituted Ivy style (i.e., what was wanted) by the WASP elite, in large part by Americanizing certain English fashions (e.g., the polo collar), and by introducing other styles and fabrics from abroad (e.g., weejuns, madras). Jewish-owned stores like J. Press followed BB's lead into the 'heyday', and then took the lead themselves as both fashion innovators (especially Chipp and Paul Stuart) and as preservationists (most notably Ralph Lauren). The mother ship is, of course, still sputtering along, but now flying an Italian flag.
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    Ginsburg and Cohen



    This still cracks me up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by L-feld View Post
    I suppose this happens every now and then when you "walk the dinosaur" of reactionary clothing. There have been some rumblings in parts of the tradosphere about things like geneology, bloodlines, authenticity, and other nonsense. Ralph Lauren was persona non grata for a while, but it looks like Muffy Aldrich may have taken his place.

    Some days, I wonder if a goyische mob will come to strip me of my natural shoulders. As an antidote, I thought we should compile a list of notable Landsmen who have a contribution to "our thing."

    In no particular order:

    - The Press family
    - Lisa Birnbach
    - Charlie Davidson (I think?)
    - Paul Newman
    - Marty and Elliot Gant
    - Abe Ribicoff
    - Bob & Sue Prenner
    - Paul Winston
    - Does Murray Rothbard count?

    And of course, I have to give a local plug to Eddie Jacobs, Ken Himmelstein, and the Cohen family.

    So to my fellow Landsmen, I say, L'Chaim.



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    "Abe Ribicoff"?? (Yes I know who he is, but why?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred johnson View Post
    "Abe Ribicoff"?? (Yes I know who he is, but why?)
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    Another referral to a reference on this topic: http://www.ivy-style.com/school-ties...vy-league.html

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    Always looking for tweed vests for a 43R - 44R chest.

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    This is probably not really on topic, but I am not sure what is on topic in this thread.

    An Ivy Alum may be the next Secretary of Defense. President Obama has settled on Ashton Carter. Here is the interesting part:

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    Quote Originally Posted by WouldaShoulda View Post
    Ginsburg and Cohen



    This still cracks me up!!
    Many have come close, but this still remains my favourite film of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beresford View Post
    I was wondering how long before this got linked here. Poor Muffy. She delights and infuriates me in equal measure, but this really is too much. I don't know how people get off so much on public axe grinding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roman totale XVII View Post
    I was wondering how long before this got linked here. Poor Muffy. She delights and infuriates me in equal measure, but this really is too much. I don't know how people get off so much on public axe grinding.
    ? Not sure why Muffy is mentioned in relation to Chensvold's post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamma68 View Post
    ? Not sure why Muffy is mentioned in relation to Chensvold's post.
    My bad. Muffy brouhaha is here;
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