Thread: Haves and gots.
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November 2nd, 2009 02:43 #1
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Haves and gots.
Is it me, or does a person who uses, incorrectly, "got" in place of "have" sound uneducated? Young people around my area and school have the tendency to say "I got a better idea", or "We got a new...", which is really irritating me.
Has anyone suffered from this problem?
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November 2nd, 2009 06:12 #2
Not nearly so much as then/than or less/fewer.
Foppery is a right, not a privilege.
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November 2nd, 2009 07:00 #3
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Doesn't bother me nearly as much as I/me.
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November 2nd, 2009 07:23 #4
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I think what you're hearing is "I've got..." with the "'ve" dropped. I agree that it's wrong to do that. Whether "I've got" is a poor substitute for "I have" is another question on which I don't have a strong opinion.
In your second example, "We got a new...", I'm not sure that there's a problem. "We got a new..." isn't grammatically the same thing as "We have a new...", but it'is effectively the same in virtually all cases.
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November 2nd, 2009 16:17 #5
The constant misuse of the reflexive pronoun "myself" is what really grinds my gears.
It seems most commonly misused by the more "educated" among us.
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November 2nd, 2009 16:51 #6
I can't stand hearing (or reading, as I did yesterday on a graphic on Fox NFL Sunday) "we'd of" instead of "we'd have."
"We'd have" is, of course, a contracted form of "we would have," while "we'd of" is entirely meaningless.aera nitent usu, vestis bona quaerit haberi,
canescunt turpi tecta relicta situ--
forma, nisi admittas, nullo exercente senescit.
(P. Ovidius Naso, Amores I.8, 51-3)
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November 2nd, 2009 20:02 #7
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I'm not sure that using "got" when "have" is the better word shows a lack of education, since it is so unfortunately common. But using "have" shows a superior education, or at least superior attention to proper grammar.
On the misuse of "myself", I read a possibly apocryphal story about how this usage became common. It seems that a sports agent (I can't recall the name) realized that his charges were confused on when to use "I" and when to use "me", and taught them to always use "myself" because it is (or was) seen as less obviously incorrect than a poorly chosen "I" or "me". It also saved many an athelete the confused look displayed when they tried to figure out which word was the correct one to use.
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November 2nd, 2009 20:04 #8
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And "we'd of" may actually be the English language's first double contraction (feel free to point out another, but none come to mind). It's really more "we'd've" than "we'd of". At least in my part of the country.
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November 2nd, 2009 22:21 #9
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Add to the list the misuse of farther/further...
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November 3rd, 2009 12:06 #10
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November 3rd, 2009 16:58 #11
I have got to work on my pronunciation most of all.

Much reading and little talking has left me with some things that are awkward to say out loud.
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November 9th, 2009 18:18 #12
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November 9th, 2009 23:36 #13
"We'd've" is pretty common here as well. Sometimes it sounds more like "weeda" same with "I'd've and "ida".
I was reading an article not long ago about regional differences in pronunciation and accents. The one that confused me was the
Mary/merry/marry merger. I honestly have no idea how there is a pronunciation difference between those words. I pronounce them all the same. I understand the cot/caught merger and how those can be pronounced differently even though I say them the same way.
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November 10th, 2009 05:48 #14
Why I'd oughta...
Foppery is a right, not a privilege.
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November 10th, 2009 13:19 #15
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